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- This why question, often is asked,by on-chair philosophers,and some of us may even have asked a question that wayat times in our life, but no one's askingthe question in that way right now,that why is being asked with real emotion,and for many people, even with desperation.I always try to remember that the first conversationI ever had about suffering,after I had become a Christian in my college years,it was with my aunt Regina,and she spoke with me about some serious sufferingin her life and in the life of her son, my cousin, Charles,and after I listened to her speak about this,at the time, I was more interested in the question,the philosophical question, and the questioner,and I quickly began spoutingsome of my philosophical explanationsfor why God might allow Charles to have sufferedand my aunt Regina listened very graciously to meand then at the end, she said, but Vince,that doesn't speak to me as a mother,and I've always tried to remember that linewhen trying to respond to this type of question.Jesus was much better than I wasat remembering that sentimentwhen his good friend Lazarus was ill,Jesus waited a couple of daysbefore he went to see him,and Lazarus wound up dying before Jesus got there,and reading between the lines and the passage,Mary and Martha were not too impressed,Lazarus' sisters and they said,Jesus, why didn't you come sooner,if you had been here, our brother would still be alive,what do you have to say for yourself,and as a Christian,I believe at that time,Jesus could've given an explanation, but he didn't.The text says that Jesus wept.That's the shortest verse in the Bible,and it's very important to me as a Christian,that first and foremost,God weeps at the suffering of this world,and that has to be our first response as well.I'll say a couple of other things,but please hear at the out set to saythis is not in any way meant to be an exhaustive answerto this question.I do think it's interesting,when we talk about something like the Coronavirus.In philosophy, it would be referred to as "natural evil".And that in itself is an interesting terminology,you might think it's an oxymoron,you might think if it's genuinely natural,if it's just the way it's supposed to be,if it's just the way that physics is supposed to operate,is it actually evil?Can you get a moral category like evilout of something which is just physical and natural?And if it's evil, then is it really natural?If it's genuinely evil,wouldn't that make it unnatural, and not natural,and so it's an interesting terminology,I find myself wondering if actually that classification,if it points towards God, rather than away from God.If it points towards a moral law giverwho can be the ground of a moral standardof more reality that can get us a categorylike moral evil.And also, towards a narrativethat makes some sense of the fact that this seemsvery unnatural, this does not seem like it's the waythings are supposed to be.Another perspective that I'd want to open up here,is that natural evils,they're not intrinsically evil in of themselves.If you have a tornado, and you are watching itfrom a safe distance,it can be majestic to behold,it can beautiful to behold.If you put a virus under a microscope,it could be beautiful to behold,and there's even a category of viruses,friendly viruses, we need them in our body.The vast majority of viruses are not having a bad resultor having a good result, and in fact,if we didn't have viruses in the world,bacteria would replicate so quicklythat it would cover the entire earthand nothing could inhabit the earth, including us.It raises the question:Is the problem the fundamental, natural featuresof our universe, or is the problemthe way that we are functioning in our environment?Could it be the case, that we're not functioning,our bodies, the way we're supposed toin the environment that we're in.When a feral child is taken out of all community,out of all relationship, that that childwas intended for, the child does not function properlyin its environment.Could it be the case that we,as humanity, as a whole,are living separated from outside the contextof the relationship that we were most destined for,and we're not operating properly in our environment.There's so much more to say about this topic,I'll open up one more angle, just for your consideration.Often times when we think of suffering,we think about it like this:We picture ourselves in this world,with all of its suffering.We then picture ourselves in a very different world,with no suffering, or far less suffering,and then we wonder to ourselves,well surely, God should have made me in the other world.Reasonable thought,but potentially problematic,because we never asked the question:Would it still be you, and me,and the people that we lovein that very different worldthat we think we wish God had made.In a moment of frustration with my father,this would never actually happen, dad,but in a moment of frustration with my father,I might wish that my mom had married someone else.Might've been taller, like Abdu,might've been better looking, like Abdu,I would've been better off,I could be thinking this way,but then I should stop and realizethat's not the right way to think,if my mom had wound up with someone other than my dad,it wouldn't have been me who came to exist,it would've been a totally different childwho came to exist.Well now imagine changing not justthat little piece of history,but imagine changing the waythe entire natural world operates.Imagine if we were never susceptible to disease,or imagine if plate tectonics didn't behavethe way they did if the laws of physicshad undergone a redesign,what would be the result?And I think one of the resultsis that none of us ever would've lived,and as a Christian,I don't think God likes that resultbecause I think one of the thingshe values about this world,even though I think he hates the suffering within it,is that it is a world that allowed for you to come to exist,and allowed for me to come to exist,and allowed for every person we see walking down the streetto come to exist,I believe that God intended youbefore the foundation of the world,that He knit you together in your mother's womb,that He knew you before you were born,He desired you, and this was a worldthat allowed for you to come to existand to be invited into a relationship with Him.Are we going to have all the answers to this question?No, we're not, but I don't think we should expect to.I was thinking this morning about howmy one-year old son, Rafael,and he generally does not understandwhy sometimes I allow him to suffer,and I was thinking specifically of one instancewhere they had to do some tests on his heart,and I was there, holding him down,while he shrieked in horrorwith all these wires coming out from his chestas they did these tests.He couldn't understand.He couldn't understand that I was loving himthrough that moment,and all I could do as a father,was I just kept saying I'm here, I'm here, I'm here,I just kept saying that repetitively.Ultimately, the reason that I trust Godthrough something like the Coronavirusis not because of philosophy,but because I believe the Christian Godcame and he suffered with us.I believe that in the person of Jesus,that is God's way of saying I'm here,I'm here, I'm here,and as the words of Jesus himself, "Here I am.I stand at the door and knock,if anyone hears my voice and opens the door,I will come in and eat with him,and he with me."That's the hope that we have,the hope of a beautiful intimacythat can be everlasting and as a hopeI believe we need to hold onto in this time.

If God, Why the Coronavirus? | Vince Vitale | Q&A | RZIM

If there's a God, why are we dealing with the coronavirus disease? Vince Vitale discusses this question at a livestreamed-only Q&A panel on Friday, March 20, 2020. #COVID19 #Coronavirus
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< start="404.37" dur="2.65">Are we going to have all the answers to this question?>

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< start="434.96" dur="2.22">He couldn't understand.>

< start="437.18" dur="2.2">He couldn't understand that I was loving him>

< start="439.38" dur="0.833">through that moment,>

< start="440.213" dur="1.397">and all I could do as a father,>

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< start="445.22" dur="2.52">I just kept saying that repetitively.>

< start="447.74" dur="2.38">Ultimately, the reason that I trust God>

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< start="458.87" dur="2.04">I believe that in the person of Jesus,>

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< start="463.24" dur="2.5">I'm here, I'm here,>

< start="465.74" dur="2.62">and as the words of Jesus himself, "Here I am.>

< start="468.36" dur="1.85">I stand at the door and knock,>

< start="470.21" dur="2.49">if anyone hears my voice and opens the door,>

< start="472.7" dur="1.77">I will come in and eat with him,>

< start="474.47" dur="1.47">and he with me.">

< start="475.94" dur="1.65">That's the hope that we have,>

< start="477.59" dur="3.06">the hope of a beautiful intimacy>

< start="480.65" dur="1.73">that can be everlasting and as a hope>

< start="482.38" dur="2.483">I believe we need to hold onto in this time.>