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this is Jocko podcast number 222 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willing goodevening echo good evening someone called for my Afghan interpreter Rahman a goodman with whom we had worked with for some time these interpreters are theunsung heroes of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan they often suffer threatsand ostracism for their willingness to endure the battlefield alongside ustheir motivation isn't money there isn't enough money to make it worthwhilefacing down insurgents who know where you and your family live they areidealists they work and risk death because they believe in our common causeof freedom Rahman responded to the call immediately running before me his footfell in a particular spot just two feet away from where I stood I was lookingright at him as I later discovered he instantly lost all his limbs in theexplosion even though I was staring right at him I never actually saw ithappen my experience was a series of tremendous blows and subsequentrealizations a train hit me ears ringing what the fuck was thatdarkness something is wrong got hit my legs reach down and see ifthey're still there they're there I feel them pain everywhere mostly my abdomensomething shot through it I think my eyes must be caked with mud I can barelysee anything I hear groaning and screaming someone hit an ie D paineverywhere but my eyes I crawl around a little bit mostly to see if my bodystill functions my teammates make their way to me I asked someone to pour wateron my eyes to remove the dirt so I can see that doesn't workI can only see light and in some shapes must be a lot of dirt I recognized myCorman's voice as he works on my wounds I say dude don't get blown up it suckshe laughs and tells me to shut up I was conscious throughout our corpsmanstopped my bleeding the worst of which was from my knees and wrapped up my eyesit still did not occur to me that there was anything wrong with them I couldonly hear the situation around me my teammates calling to each othercommunicating the situation with tense voices I later found out that a footwearing the typical Salomon boot that we all wore hit one of my teammates in thechest about 50 yards away Rahman was groaning in pain deep deep pain mostpeople's experience of combat wounds is from the movies a soldier gets hit hisguts spilling out and he looks down at them screaming in horror but this is notthe way it is in reality truly bad injuries SAP your energy and prevent youfrom screaming instead the sound of wounded man makes is a much deeper morevisceral emanating from the depths of his beingit's a groan a cry a moaning that reeks of utter desperation it is far worsethan a scream it is true pain manifested in the sound this was the sound thatRahman made it is unforgettable as the quorum intended to me and wewaited for the medevac helicopter a thought entered my head we may be in afirefight any second now Rahman was barely alive and he would later die inthe hospital our EEO d chief petty officer took alittle Fraggle Sol and would be evacuated with us all hands were neededto fight I could hear the medevac helo coming in low this was no time to asksomeone to carry me blown up and blind I stood up and walk myself to itDave warson who would be killed two months later heroically laid down coverfire for me as I boarded the helo there was my last memory of himmedics onboard the helicopter took one look at me laid me down and eased meinto unconsciousness I woke up days later far away from Helmand far awayfrom Kandahar far away from my brothers and arms far away from the war and dustof Central Asia I was brought back into consciousness in Germany at the Americanat the American Hospital long store a breathing tube was being unceremoniouslyripped from my throat rather unpleasant I opened my eyes or thought I did andsaw nothing a physician came to me and told me the truth my right eye was gonemy left eye was so heavily damaged that there was virtually no chance I wouldsee with it againmy future was a future of blindness of darkness of no sight no color no visualbeauty I would never see a sunset a friend a loved one again in one instantin a fatal footfall all that was ripped awayand that right there was an excerpt from a book called fortitude written by DanCrenshaw who is a former SEAL officer and he's actually been on this podcastbefore number 118 and the last time he was on he was in the process of runningfor Congress well he won and is currently a congressman serving the 2ndcongressional district of Texas in the House of Representatives and well it'san honor to have Dan back with us today to share some of the lessons learnedthat he talks about in his new book and once again the name of the book isfortitude Dan thanks for coming back man hey thank you for having me listen doyou read that I was like maybe I should have asked you to read my book in theaudio version that was good well thanks it's uh it's only goodbecause the story that's being told is is obviously a very powerful one and youknow you sent me this book and as soon as you sent it to meI started talking to you about let's get you back on the podcast obviously you'rea busy man obviously you're busy man right now for reference it is what is itit's March of 2020 in the midst of the pandemic the corona virus pandemic isgoing on around the world and around America there's schools and again whoknows what this will look like looking back on it when people are listening tosin the future whether if they're listening to in a month from now a weekfrom now or years from now it'll be interesting what this pandemic turns outto be but you braved the travel we did we did and we just you know I'm leavingoff the heels of that late night vote again for for listeners trying to putthis in context and what you saw in the news leaving off the heels of that latenight vote where where which was for the economic stimulus that the the presidentsupported and was bipartisan in nature different from the eight billion plusdollars that we voted on a week prior which was meant to combat it on a publichealth scale so you know I it's every everybody agrees I think we've as acountry and as a government we have taken this particular pandemic moreseriously than anything in the past more than we did for Ebola or for h1n1 andI've asked that specific questions to folks like the assistant Surgeon GeneralAdmiral red who have worked all of these pandemics and so I just hope peoplerealize that that's not what you hear from the media you know the media wouldtell you that it's so totally unprepared and you know you're never going to beperfectly prepared I think that's a lesson you and I know pretty well yeahbut you learn those lessons and you do better than next timethe finger-pointing has been completely unnecessarymostly dishonest and totally unhelpful but the government has been taking itpretty seriously and we're definitely taken it seriously in Congress well I'mglad you were able to get out here and again I think there's no telling whatthis will look like in hindsight but it's quiet around here in San Diegoright now there's just not a lot of people doing a lot of stuff obviouslywe're we're in the gym and the gym you know not a lot not a ton of peoplecoming into gym right now there's still people training though don't worry itworked we're training that jiu-jitsu but yeah you sent me the book and you knowcracked it open started reading it and immediately was just you know getting intouch with you to see if we could get you out here on the podcast to talkabout it and man you know the the stuff that you've been through and the lessonsthat you've taken away from it are very powerful and you know that's one of thethings that struck me out of the gate is that when you got wounded you actuallyyou actually drew strength from very powerful place and things that you'vebeen through and I want to jump in and read some more of this um some more ofthis things that you've been through and I think a lot of people are gonna beable take a lot away from it so I'm going back to the book this is after youwounded I fought back to another time in my life two decades earlier the firsttime I ever witnessed the kind of inescapable pain that I was feeling nowand the grit to overcome it was with my mother she fought a battle so many othermodern women fight breast cancer and she did so with endurance Grace and optimismher example has never left me and I wasn't about to let some cheap-ass AEDin the ancient killing fields of Afghanistan render me unworthy of hermemory she was only 35 years old when she was diagnosed same age as me as Iwrite these words when she got the news it was one day before my littlebrother's first birthday I was five years old the doctors told her she mighthave five years to live and they were right soon after she would be feelingthe pain I was feeling now as the cancer and chemotherapy ripped apart her bodyin battle she fought it for five years and when I was ten she died if you'veever cared for a loved one in terminal decline you know what that's likethere is an intensity of loss that is immeasurable words don't do it justicethe whole deep down in your gut feels like it will never go away as a childthe intensity of the experience is made worse as grief is amplified byincomprehension going from kindergarten to fourth grade knowing that your motheris dying that the center of a small boy's world is collapsing is anexperience I wouldn't wish on anyone but from this grief came learning I got toexperience the nature of a true hero and the example she set was the mostpowerful fortifying and selfless thing I havescene including combat buying helpless in a hospital bed I had to wonderwhether my mother had asked the same desperate question I was currentlyasking would I ever see my family again I figured that if she could sufferthrough that question and the unknowable answer so could I my mother spent half adecade staring death in the face burned with caring for two small boys whom shewould not live to see grow up she lived day to day in ever-increasingpain the cancer afflicted her and the cancer treatments afflicted her to sixrounds of chemotherapy on top of radiation treatments are a brutalexperience for even the strongest constitution self-pity is never a usefulstate but if anyone had reason to feel sorry for herself and had to complain abit it was my mom but she never did in terminal decline and in pain across fiveyears I never heard her complain once I never heard her bolon her fate I neversaw her express self-pity every day she woke up was a day she was still aliveand she lived she was dying and she was grateful to not be dead yet every extraday was a gift where she could look her boys in the face every next evening wasanother night she could tell us she loved us before bed even during her lastdays when the hospital delivered her deathbed and hospice nurse to our diningroom her demeanor did not change Susan Carol Crenshaw was exactly the oppositeof what she had every right to bebrutal yeah yeah that was more for my mom than for me you know I tell thatstory because well that the name of that chapter is perspective from darkness andperspective I think is something we lack in our modern-day society we are I thinktoo many people are willing to jump to this false conclusion that you've had itthe worse that your life is worse than your ancestors or than your peers orthan anybody else walking around America right now and there's just a really justso happens there's a really good chance that's not trueI'm not saying it's not true I'm just saying there's a pretty good chancethat's probably not true it's interesting too I always talk aboutperspective from a leadership perspective which means hey if I'mlooking at one of my troops the better I understand their perspective on what I'mtelling them and what their job is and what the mission is the better I'm gonnabe able to lead them and same thing with my boss the better I understand myboss's perspective and what the strategy looked like and what's the overall thinghe's trying to get accomplished the better I understand his perspective thebetter I'm gonna be able to lead and it's interesting cuz when you put thatacross society you would think that in today's day and age with the a bit withsocial media with the ability to absorb as so many other people's perspectivesyou'd think that that would open up your mind yeah to realize that that there'syou know a lot of other people that that have been through much worse than thenanything I've even been close to gone through yeah and yet it doesn't seem tobe happening that way no and I mean one of the most popular stories for anAmerican to hear you know is is a story of overcoming adversity and that's agood thing I'm glad those are still the the stories that are the most popular inthe American psyche you know that a movie about somebody who's downtroddenand overcomes it it's still a good movie but there there is it's undeniable thatthere is this fragility is infecting America and that's that'swhy I wrote this book and it's um you know it's not a political book it's nota sealed book it's not a it's it's a cultural book it's it's a culturalphilosophy book and it's it's it's simultaneously an individual kind ofself-help book and just how to be mentally tougher in your own individuallife but there are much broader cultural implications that are strewn throughoutthe book it is a it is a culture book and because I fear that we are gettingmore sensitive more more prone to microaggressions and prone to saying howoffended you are and wearing wearing that offense on your sleeve proudly andand and this gets to the I think what's the the next chapter which is who isyour hero and we've changed what we look up to like we think that it's good to toscream about how offended we are that's becoming like a a moniker of a goodthing you know it's interesting as as you know before we started recording youknow we're just talking about kind of life in the games and and if there's onething that you never do in the teams and ever is show anyone that you're offendedby anything that you're saying to you because if you allow that to happen youknow you're gonna get torn apart whereas it seems like and I hadn't thought aboutfrom that perspective the all the rage in the public right now is if you canpossibly get offended by something then it's you're you're the you're the bestthing in the world you know jump up and down and point to the person thatoffended you and why you were offended and and the more offended you are thebetter off the aggrieved victim status is supreme these days and that's a andthat's more of a serious problem than then I think most Americans are givingit credit for like it's a really bad thing because you're changing you'rechanging our heroes and and when I say heroes I want to want to be morespecific cousin and I outlined this in the book in greater detail I don't meanlike Jaco is my hero I don't actually and I person when people asked me aboutwho I look up to and my heroes I I will tell them attributes of people that Ithink are respectable don't think you should have one personthat you look up to I don't think that's totally healthy and that's not what I'mtalking about in the book I'm talking about hero archetypes you know in anarchetype is a is a is a broader set of ideas or attributes that we sort of thatwe sort of recognize collectively okay that's it's more of a psychological termthan anything else and there are certain hero archetypes you know like the NavySEALs have a hero archetype when we write about that in our in our SEALethos it's such a beautifully written ethos and I and I have the entire thingwritten in the book because it perfectly demonstrates what we believe we shouldbe now what we should do but what we should be and that's a reallyinteresting thing and I and I and I know that you look at a corporate ethos andif you go to people like corporations websites and you read them there they'reusually something like we want to be the number one manufacturer on the westcoast it's like that's not who you want to be that's just something you want todo if you if you write out an ethos of who you want to be you can you can reachthat level of elitism you can surpass mediocrity so that's important that'simportant thing is here is that we have societal hero archetypes that we look upto Jesus is a is a hero archetype Superman is a hero archetype realcharacters too you know I put I could name a thousand you know Rosa ParksRonald Reagan these all of these people embody certain attributes that theAmerican people think this is good okay man we generally agree on these things Itell the whole story in the book about about when I was at Disney World or wasit Disneyland it was Disney World and I was at the Star Wars land and I waswatching this really cool thing happened where they where they let these kids doJedi training and of course like in typical Disney fashion everything isreally well run the actors are absolutely amazing and they're teachingthese kids you know how to work their swords and all that but they're alsoteaching them really cool things like just little Jedi lessons like like willyou let your emotions be driven by hate and anger you know like really simplebecause we look up to the Jedi as like a hero archetype and so there are certainthings that are just viewed as good but that's changing and I and I find that tobe an extremely dangerous thing because we're the aggrieved victim the personwho talks about being offended the most and who screams the loudest wereelevating that person to a higher level in our society and that's dangerousyou're flipping cultural norms on their head and you do that at your own perilyou know and ends you know cultural foundations based in thousands of yearsof trial and error and wisdom those are important they're more important thanpeople realize and like that's that's that's frankly what the first I guesswell that that particular chapter is about perspectives chapter you knowthey're all related of course but the perspectives chaffed and the reason Ibring up my mom and the reason I tell that story and then subsequent storiesof of other guys that we've lost is because you you need to it's healthy togo through life thinking you know what somebody has hard had it harder than meand I'd like to live up to their memory I'd like to live up to that heroattribute the hero that are the hero archetype of my mother and I'm not lyingshe never complained she just never did and if she did I didn't hear it as a kidand so when you're living in blindness and not sure whether you will see againit's healthy to have that in your head and I mean I say you don't have to uhyou don't have to experience a bomb in your face to get some perspective butyou can read about it and it's like you said earlier in a world where we're soconnected and we can see everybody else's story of hardship you would thinkthat we would have more perspective but but it seems that the opposite is trueand first steps of reversing that trend I think is to at least realize it yeahwe we recently had on Rose Schindler who was a house where it's survivor and Igot many many many messages and comments coming back saying yeahmyself in check you know I I don't have it that badso that and yet we've had many people on here that have been through some reallyhellacious things whether it's prisoner war camps just devastating situationsand it is it's it's it if they weren't here to here I get the feeling sometimesthat if people weren't hearing it here they wouldn't be hearing it theywouldn't be hearing it you know they'd just be thinking that everyone is livingbetter than they are and they're the ones that are in the worst possiblesituation in the world we've got yeah that's a you know I don't bring it toomuch to politics but it is it is it is one reason that we that we have lurchedinto this conversation about socialism because fundamentally socialism is as anideology that pits people against each other you have to believe that somebodyelse is oppressing you and that they have it better than you for you toembrace socialism it is it is envy it is the ultimate sin manifested into apolitical ideology not the ultimate sin but it's one of them and that's I wasI'm always looking for the deeper reason as to why something is happening and itis natural for for people to want to believe that something outside their ownpower is fact is affecting their lives because if it's you if it's your faultif it's you who has to step up that's harder it's much easier to believe thatthere's something else it also is an assault on your ego when you look atyourself and you say well I guess I'm the one that messed this up yeah it isand that's that's a devastating psychological consequence when your egois hurt that way it is yeah I wrote a book about that called extreme ownershipit's good but again it's it's one of those things where you know you wrotethis book as you know as you're saying like a cultural philosophy you know lifeand I wrote extreme ownership as well as leadership principles but I mean it wellit didn't take but two seconds for everyone to say oh yeah what you'retalking about is you know easily transforms into a into a culturalphilosophy of taking ownership and responsibility for what's going on inyour absolutely there's no doubt about it andyou find yourself in the lot in light and look do people get cancer yes peopleget cancer to do horrible things happen to people to families yes absolutely howdo you respond to those things is the question how do you take ownership ofwhat you do next and and that's the that's the big difference and if whatyou do next is is you know say it's out of my control and I can't do anythingand your get the mentality that you're a victim of what's happening around youthat means you're not gonna make any changes to transform your life and movein a more positive direction it's just the way it is and you know I think Ithink one of these things that happens with you know these ideas behindsocialism in America and again it's it's like crazy that we would be sitting heretalking about this anybody that anybody that reads anything about history knowsthat this is just not good but you know it comes across always as hey well whatwe want to do is help everyone out that's what we want to do we want tohelp everyone out and okay if that's like the core belief and this is where Ithink sometimes we could do better or you know someone like myself could do abetter job explaining to people look if you care about other human beings somuch if you want to help as many people as possible in this country the bestpossible thing you could do is allow the market to flourish allow people to buildbusinesses that's what you that's what changes people's lives that that's whathelps not get giving them a handout and making them reliable or a reliant on thestate right it doesn't help anybody it helps them for a week you know it helpsthem for that pay period but it doesn't help them transform their lives intosomething more positive when one way I explained that exact sentiment is to asksomeone to imagine how they would raise their kid if they love their kid youknow would you give them whatever they want would you would you tell your kidthat whatever they do wrong it's it's not their fault somebody else made themdo it wrong would you tell them that there's no consequences for theiractions would you tell them that if they do an hour of chores and their siblingdoes three hours that they deserve the same reward andwould you teach them any of these things there is no liberal who would teach attheir kids these things they don't because they love their kids and theywant their kids to be successful but that's effectively what we're teachingwhat we're saying that we should teach our citizens and so I ask people whydon't we treat our citizens the way we treat our kids as if we loved thembecause that's true compassion it doesn't mean we don't have a socialsafety net right and that's always the counter-argument it's a disingenuouscounter-argument well the counter-argument to that is look withyour kids and this is an example that I use when Iespecially when I'm talking to businesses so I say listen like whatwill be with a start-up right that's grown from you know they were ten peoplethen there are hundred people now they're getting to that threshold and Isay listen at some point you're gonna have to put some discipline on what'sgoing on inside of your company you're gonna have to have people come to workand that aligned times you're gonna have to have them eat lunch at certain timesnot just like you're gonna have to you're to have to have meetings and thatare scheduled and look when you've got a company of twelve people you can getaway with all that stuff there and it's great there's money coming in andeverything's but as soon as you start to grow well you have to start to havediscipline inside your organization right and so the example I give peopleis I say listen have you ever met a kid that when he's when he's born look whena when a child is born you give whatever they want you got to keep them aliveright there's your social state like you have to give them food water milk youhave to get you have to feed them you have to take care of them if youcontinue to do that when they're three four five well by the time they're tenyou actually now have Satan for a child yeah because this kid is totally out ofcontrol do demanding doesn't it not only istotally demanding but doesn't know how to do anything for themselves can't makethem solve the sandwich can't tie their own shoes it can't do anything so whatyou have to do is you have to let people fend for themselves you have to let kidsbrush up against the guardrails of failure you you have to do that and yesyou have to do that with society as well in my opinion and that's what that'swhat the thing the argument that I don't hear back at people that are saying heywe should give everything away for free is listen for that we don't have enoughto give away everything for free right the best way that you can take care ofthe most amount of people is to allow freedom allow individual freedom allowedpeople to pursue goals allow people to pursue business allow people to growthings and hire people that's how you that's how we all win it's so it's crazyto me that we still have these discussions and it's also yeah it'scrazy to me that we're having these discussions right now like this there'slike this belief that they subscribe to which is if only politicians want somean and corrupt you know there's all these things hidden that we could justgive you but they don't want to and I most like does that really sound rightlike this is that does that really sound like that's that's correct that was justall just extra money just hidden in the in the in the Treasury that we couldjust give out what we don't want to that everybody that we have all these luxuryapartments that we could just give out you know because housings are right orwhatever or that or that there's just enough doctors and hospitals to takecare of everyone and they're just kind of waiting around like not you know Imean like come on you know it's it's not if something if it sounds too good to betrue it most certainly is and again it doesn't mean that we don't want to keepstriving for a you know broader access to health care it doesn't mean that wewant to keep don't want to keep striving for a or efficient social safety net notsaying that but the but they lurch to the to the progressive left andsocialism is it's it's it's based upon this idea that that we're keepingsomething from you and it's just not true it's based on this idea to thatthat that where do I want to go with this it's it's kind of like a constantescalation of crisis and it's it's it's not surprising that we got there okayand this is what I mean by that if you're a progressive you're generallywanting more progress right change for the sake of change itself is often thecase and you have to promise more things than you did last timeright because fundamentally it's it's it's based in the sense ofcompassion you know giving people things from the government they don't thinkvery much they don't think much more about what that does to the foundationof the creation that you talked about it's just giving me four more things andit's almost like they relied on conservatives for the last hundred yearsto at least to at least be an obstacle to their to their worst instincts rightbecause the goods conservatives are the ones who say okay hold on like easethink of the second third order consequences of that think of what thatdoes to our foundations when I say foundations I meanfoundations of a free-market system that creates all this wealth in the firstplace like you can't you can't just you can't remove the legs of the stool ifyou want to improve the stool I get it let's work on that but don't remove thelegs of the stool it'll just fall same with our political foundations same withour cultural foundations there's three groups that are very important we can Icould go on for hours about this but but I'll try and stay on top on this line ofthought here and so you promise more things and you promise more things andeventually you're like running out of things to promise and you've got to bebolder and bolder and bolder this is how you get socialism well-intentionedliberalism always leads to socialism it takes years but it happens we're at thatpoint now okay like the the the the well-intentioned liberals maybe the thethe smarter you know Democrats that Republicans have often worked with who Ithink always over-promised but know full well that the Republican colleagues willsort of measure the the policy and I don't think they believe it themselvesfrankly but they've created a generation that does believe it this is where we'reat right now the AOC s of the world are true believers and they've got a lot offollowers this is what happens when this this lie of compassion gets told toomany times a generation starts to actually believe it and this is thesituation we're in now this is why 70 percent of the Millennials surveyed willsay they would vote for a socialist now there's good news and bad newsassociated with the number like that they don't always define socialismcorrectly which is good yeah true and also I washaving a conversation with someone about this is a day I mean in 1968 how many 20year olds would have said they would have voted for socialism it probablyprobably 70 percent as well yeah you know there was a socialist candidate Ican't remember the name right now but I just saw this quote and it was sointeresting because that socialist communist candidate back then in the 60sbasically said what I just said you know you've got a I can't remember the exactquote but it was something along the lines of the the the elements of liberalpolicy are there to eventually create the fabric of socialism for us it's likeit's then that is exactly what happens it happens a little bit at a time andhere's another way of thinking about it that I help people understand okay soyou want to raise the minimum minimum wage okay and you want to raise it to 15bucks an hour or 20 bucks an hour and that's fine there's it's guaranteed thatyou will lose jobs when you do that that's it's guaranteed okay and so youlose jobs and depending on how much you raise it in the cost of living in thatarea you'll lose a certain number of jobs okaywell the the well-intentioned liberal and government who wants to control theeconomy says well we don't want to lose the jobs okay we'll just make peoplehire more just make make the employers hire more people okay fine so you makethem hire more people but they still have to pay that minimum wage well theircosts haven't changed and they're their overall budget hasn't changed so so nowwhat well then they have to raise prices right raise prices Jasta cailli well nowthere's hyperinflation and that's not good and also the poor people can'tafford the things that they want to buy so that's not goodokay well just make them lower the prices look we're going out of businessokay just take over the business so now you own the means of production and I'mnot saying it happens that quickly but that's how it happens like there'sthere's there's oh there's a logical line there well that well-intentionedfirst step of intervening in the markets has consequences and eventually if youwant to control it well you have to really control it and then you're in areally bad place because then you're then you then you're actuallycontrolling productions when you do that then you're in a place called Venezuelayeah and that isn't turning out so wellall right little tangent right there hi well it's actually I go into this hugediscussion about the minimum wage in the book yeahnot because because this actually relates to mental toughness because theway I relate it in the book is part of being part of having fortitude part ofbeing mentally tough is having the ability to think through some questionsbefore you react emotionally very simple and I'm pretty sure I think I think thatexample is used in the chapter called be still and and I mean that quiteliterally just be still when you hear something that is emotionally triggeringor you disagree with think about that this notion that there might be anotherside to the story like just maybe if you just ask some questions and at firstagain the minimum wage it seems like the right thing to do like how people shouldjust get paid more I want them to get paid more they should so I just give thearguments in there like there's economic arguments and there's geographicalarguments by that I mean you know why would you have a federal minimum wagethat's the same for the entire country when in San Francisco the the rent isthirty five hundred dollars a month and in Lubbock Texas seven hundred dollars amonth you know does that that really quickly makes the case against a federalminimum wage not saying that each city can't do their own thing then I go intothe economic arguments of who's actually working a minimum wage jobs the pointisn't to make the argument against the minimum wage the point is to get you tounderstand that this issue like many many other issues and questions has manymany layers to it and if you stop and you think first assume those layersexist right then the next step is look into thelayers and there might be more to it and when you do that you are exhibitingmental strength you're exhibiting the ability to not react but to just askquestions and like I have a feeling I'm just a feeling that the the peoplereally angrily waving those $15 minimum wage signs have not looked into the ourtreatments yeah but they're passionate yes really um you know I at our factoryup in Maine you know this is a class thing like sometimes you need morepeople to load boxes and who do you get who do you who do you get to load boxthis is an unskilled job like hey we just need you to move by it's not evenloading by it's moving boxes from here in the warehouse to where they're gonnaget loaded on trucks to get take shipped out you know you know who wants that joba kid that's a 16 years old that you know does needs gas money and he's gonnawork that job two hours a night whatever and make a little bit of cash on theside that's cool we can afford to do that at that our business the minute yousay hey instead of paying that guy 10 bucks an hour you got to give him $16 anhour well now it's guess what we're gonnatake we're gonna just take some of our other labor and have them fill in youknow half an hour your half an hour there and all of a sudden with you'veeliminated three jobs that the overall budget of the business does not changejust because you changed the minimum wage but there's this like belief andagain you know it's I'm always amazed by how little pockets put into some ofthese you know feel good policy policy proposals like as if there's no secondthird order consequences to these things and like you just you have to thinkthrough that we just have to that would be niceall right let's get back to the book I'm gonna take you back to the you just didyou just deep reef the entire book we descend now all right so here we goawake now in long stool I could not move I was beaten and for the momentphysically broken I was riddled with shards and debrisunder under the skin and deep within I was swollen badly suffering from athousand small cuts everything burned and itched though oddly enough I don'trecall any pain in my eyes I said before that I woke up unable to see but thiswas not entirely true I could see I could not see my surroundings true but Iwas certainly seeing I was surrounded by constant hallucinations the result of myoptic nerve still communicating erratically with my brain thehallucinations were lucid and all followed a pattern I was in AfghanistanI was with the guys I was in an Afghan village mud walls and compounds therewas an Afghan man sitting next to me there were piles of weapons in thecorner I lived my previous experiences I lived my previous experiences over andover again I knew it wasn't real I was hallucinating but not delusional if Iwas awake I was seeing these images if I was lucky enough to fall asleep anddream never more than 30 minutes then I would wake up and still wake up stillinside the visual reality of the dream that sounds insane that was that wasthat was insane now was some of that it was some of that drugs that you were youon were you on any drugs that were giving you hallucinations no or this wasjust all your optic nerves communicating and there's there's some I research thisyou know later in life and there's there's some history of this happeningto people who go suddenly blind that that optic nerve voles continue to dothat it couldn't have been drugs I mean the only drugs I was on or painkillersand the wouldn't wouldn't have that effect there was just some weird thingsthat was it was it was so weird and and kind of terrifying and it justit just it amplified the whole experience because I knew it wasn't realI knew it wasn't real there was but I would I would always see them there andI would talk about them and so you know the stranger stories are from my myfriends there's a couple seals who came to me with Lance to Landstuhl which wasit's such a enormous blessing you know you can't even describe how important itis for somebody in that state to just have somebody they know or at leastsomebody they kind of trust it doesn't even have to be a team guy you know itcould just be somebody who understands you just there and I remember this oldAfghan man sitting next to me and it was always like a weird blue light like itwas it was it really was like I'm could dream out of the movies you know we'relike a band and his face would be kind of melting I just remembered that veryspecifically I don't remember all the hallucinations but I and I alwaysremember piles of weapons it was really like we were I was remembering themoments which were so many because we would always do two to three day ops onthat particular deployment and so we'd holed up in some compoundthey knew it you know it's like a you know are all the guys are just in thistiny little room together shooting the shit and our weapons are kind of strewnthroughout and that's what I would see I was just seeing that experience all thetime the mud walls and one particularly weird dream I and I think I do describethis in the book it's uh I was I was like I was in a third world country andlike in a department store you know like going through a very crowded departmentstore not with people but with clothes like they're like there did they youknow cuz in like a lot of these countries they'd just it's not likeWalmart you know where you can comfortably walk through things likethey pack too much stuff in because they don't have that much space but they gota lot of stuff and they pack it in there and I'm just like trying to move throughthese clothes and it's like musty and the lights are fluorescent like againlike this is just a very thorough bold country kind of scene you know couldn'tsay where it was but I've been to a lot of third-world countries so my mind isused to this sort of visualization and then I woke up and I know I'm awake butI'm still there that's what really suckedto not be able to leave the nightmare like I was literally living in anightmare and we always used the word literally wrong in our modern-daysociety I'm not using it wrong I was literally living in the nightmare andlike it was inescapable not that's what sucks because like you just couldn't youcouldn't shake it and that that's all this was just a horrible place to be itfinally went away when a nurse an astute nurse an observant nurse just realizedwhat was going on and she started asking us about it and my wife is just likekind of exasperated at this point she wasn't my wife then but she was you knowfiance then and she's just you know exhausted and like just trying to dealwith this and I think it was like I think it was like right after my firstsurgery or maybe right before I don't remember but she was just like how longhas this been going on and we're like the whole time like ever since I woke upyou know so days and maybe a week I'm not really sureum she's like that's not good you should mean her response was like you will havea reparable PTSD if this continues you know because like you just living in anightmare is not a great place to be it's just and and so she shot me up witha bunch of ativan which was like it's it's a hard anti-anxiety drug and thenthen it got really weird then the hallucinations chained didn'tgo away right away they changed to Christmas so I was like in a I was likein like a like a Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer Christmas world this is whatyou're seeing yeah even though you can't see anything this is what you see yeahit's very Christmas world it's very vivid it's not like when you close youreyes and imagine things it's like it was vivid the Christmas rolled was coolthat's cool yeah it was more relaxing it was like it was happier umand then it went black and then black black was the best that was that wasgood it was like you would know you would never think that you'd be happy tobe blind but like that was that was a good it was necessary I could finallytake a nap going back to the book here Tara this is your fiancee at the timeTara was there when I finally arrived in Bethesda and never left my side fromthat moment on most of my family came up to see me as did many friends they werefar more worried than I was and their spirits were low this was most likelydue to the fact that they were mentally coherent enough to sense the pessimisticexpectations of my surgeons the doctor did not think I would see again theysaid so many times and I simply didn't believe them my optimism myself-deception and my belief that the coming surgery on my left eye would workand that I would see was nothing less than a delusional gift that allowed meto keep my sanity though I am NOT one for overt expressions of faith I willsay this I genuinely believe God's strength was working through me then hewas allowing me to believe something impossible I prayed and my family prayedand we believed we believe that the military surgeonswould pick through a pierced and shrapnel ridden I removed the mostminiscule shards and debris and then restore my sight we did not have goodreason to believe it but we did it's interesting that you call thisself-deception and delusional that yeah it sounds like everyone else was justlike hey man you know losing a good horn yeah it really stops a obviously that'sexactly right it was it was a necessary self delusion and again I was like Idon't know why that was it's in that's why I say Adam could have it had to beenGod God saying you know I can't I'm not gonna save your eye for you bud loreleiinsurgents to do that but I'll at least allow you to believe that it's possiblebecause otherwise you're gonna go to nuts and again it's it's I I think Mikeyou know whatever you want to call it post-traumatic growth afterwards is is afunction of being able to to live through the experience a certain waybecause it's terrifying to think that you might not see again that'sterrifying and you know and I and I'm again because that that chapter iscalled perspective from darkness there are other veterans who immediately lostboth eyes they had no chance of seeing again that's hardship I didn't have todeal with that you know after somebody else has had it worse than you alwaysremember that even when you get blown up in the face yeah the doctors and thatcontinued it wasn't just being able to see anything again it was being able tosee well again I was demanding I was demanding the first surgery so the firstsurgery for my left eye my right eye is gone my right eye was gone in Kandaharthey happen to be an ophthalmologist there that enucleated the eye right awaythey do that early on so that your body will focus on the eye that's you knowpossibly savable but the right eye was so screwed up and I wish that picturesof it and that's kind of gruesome but you know and people don't want to takepictures of you in that because they're likethat's not good to take pictures of you but but uh you know keep in mind thatthe person might want those pictures later on that it's people don't realizehis kirsty edison and she got you know she got in the helo crash in afghanistanand you know she's a beautiful girl and she had pictures of her face where 50cal like the way that the helo went down I mean it it did some massive damage toher face and she has pictures of it and look at the pictures and you can'tbelieve that you know she was able to recover the way she did it's amazing butyou know she's a marine and I will say that she's much aligned with yourfeelings on this I think she's pretty stoked that she has those pictures ofherself all jacked totally took those pictures though was it the kind like Ohafter they got into like the medical you know what actually I think it was Ithink it was if you remember her story there was some a really good plasticsurgeon like a bright red the ladies version and female plastic surgeon thatI think was probably like oh I'm gonna document this yes he's so there's adifference between that and then like something like a wait guys and busts upthe phone and start taking bitches like which is what you think the team guywould do and I think I would obviously go all cool check out fans are there II'm gonna get some snacks to this and we got some you know so I've only got onepicture but it's a good week out I mean it's not it's at least a few days likeit's um there's some healing that has taken place but I look bad like it lookslike a shock it looks like I'd hit in the face with a shotgun that's what myface looks like it's show it to you right now if you really want to see itjust so you can react to itI've never posted it because it's a little it's a little too gruesome forposting blurry doubt but the option yeah the well not I kind of lost my train ofthought well yeah so you get that you get the surgery in the book you talkabout they removed the broken lens yes oh no copper wire that was in thereright bunch of other debris so hallucinations stopand then then your six weeks they got to put you in a position for six weeks torecover right so there's a couple things that happened here that's the picture ohyou know that's about a week after so there's there's some healing there butit's not looking great it's yeah that's rough so damn Yeah right eyes gone lefteye has a as a cataract meaning the lens which is in the middle of your eye is isdestroyed cataracts are pretty normal thing for older folks to get you knowjust basically means the lens has kind of I don't know the right term is butkind of clouds over you need to replace it in my case it was trauma induced sojust bunch of fragments burst through the eye and destroyed the lens you cankind of look at a lens like a window alright and this is an important way ofthinking about it because if it clouds over if that windows just you can't seethrough it anymore we'll just replace the windowpane but if the blast destroysthe window then you're trying to so a new window pane onto basically thecurtains which are like the scelera of your eye and that was sort of thesituation I was dealing with so the first miracle was they removed the lensentirely so okay so that things out because I remember this I think I thinkit was in Landstuhl I sort of remember them shining a really bright light myeye just to see if I could see light and I could see some light when they didthat what I saw was like darkness but there was like a light almost like we'rein this room right now and there's this bright light above our heads it's kindof like that but everything else was like a cloud like like being like on anair but like imagine you're like going through a cumulus cloud as you're takingoff like that's what it looks like very odd and strange and again so the firstmiracle this in a battle you know maybe a week later when I finally got back tothe Bethesda we did the surgery they removed the big copper wire that hadreally been destroying my eye so that's good and so we kind of start to see someblurriness after that you know which is kind of what I see now as I look at younow I'm wearing a contact and without if I took this contact out I wouldn't wrecknice you I don't know wouldn't know I wouldn't run into things necessarily butI can't see anything you know it's it's it's I mean I well it's like you knowtwenty one thousand vision it's I can't really see anything it's just it's justblurry can't see clothes can't see far can't find my glasses if I lose them theglasses I do have four like that thick that's what I wear at night or onairplanes or you know if I don't feel like wearing a contact so that nevergoes away but at the time I wanted it to go away like I wanted to be like no justmake the eye better doctors why can't you just do that cuz I got a I gotplaces to be okay and they're like yeah do you you know it was like I was likeyeah I mean I was like okay so you just did this surgery remove the cataract nowI want a new lens so that I don't have to wear like Contacts and glassesbecause I don't look cool in these glasses right I'm not a fan and uh youknow I don't really have to contact situation yet and and I actuallywouldn't for two and a half years it would take to get a really good contactthat's actually comfortable and so I was like just just do the surgery andthey're like well and I'm they're like we really shouldn't and I was like okaywhat's the how much do we have to wait to do the surgery you know what's thewhat's the minimum time cuz I need to have it as soon as possible because youknow I got to get back to the platoon I've got a I've got to go back andthey're like well I mean I guess technically six weeks I'm like six weeksit is and like I couldn't see them at the time but they're looking at eachother like what the hell are you talking about like this isn't you don'tunderstand what your situation is it's like they were just I mean and my wifetells me all this now cuz I couldn't see them and I couldn'tI wasn't self-aware enough to gauge people's reactions I was in you knowtotally different state of mind I was on a lot of painkillers and drugs and soyou know and and and just like full-on seal mode layer get the job daughtermust get back to platoon kill bad guys and it's just like wasn't making senseto people like they were just like I don't know what's wrong with this guyand so they just kind of humored me I think like they're just like yeah sureand we'll definitely definitely do that but they would have no and no intentionof doing it for good reason and then and then what you're talking about the sixweeks blindness that occurred later so at least miracles happened and likewe saved my eye and that was really exciting but then they you know butthey're but they're looking at it every day and they do this one test and theysee this hole in my retina so that's not a big deal because it's just just a holeyou know it means there's some blind spots and as I look at you I can kind ofsee the blind spot it's like right in my face an own but I deal with it it'sannoying when I read frankly the problem with that is your retina the anatomy ofyour retina causes that hole to expand there's a film there's like a it's likea membrane on the back of your retina that creates tension and so anytimethere's a hole in your retina that means the hole will just expand slowly so it'smacular degeneration this again this happens with older folks quite a bit theway to fix that is remove the membrane we're not really sure why the membraneson there in the first place and so you just remove the membrane and then you'regood all right but and that's fine that's actually pretty normal surgerybut for me it was a really high-risk surgery because you know my eyes sofragile and so they're worried about the retina detaching luckily it did not youknow because well who knows why again God's intervention and but you do haveto be face down for six weeks to recover from that so that was just just suck youhad to lay face down the entire time for six you have the latest face downbecause what they do is they they inject this gas into your eye and that createsa bubble which creates tension so and if the bubble is meant to be pressed upagainst your retina to keep it in place the only way for it to press up againstyour retina is for you to be looking down and so you just look just sucksyou just have to be face down doesn't matter how you're doing it just lay downor walk facedown or whatever it is but just make sure you're facing down forsix weeks and you're blind the whole timemost of the time they'll do this like one eye at a time so if somebody can seestill but you know I'm not a one eye at a time kind of guy anymoreyou get past that you say when the six weeks were over I sat up and I was notblind moreover with the help of a truly remarkable contact lens from Bostonsight to which the Navy referred me years later I was eventually returned to20/20 correct hole vision in my left eye that's the story of being blown up Ican't say I recommend the experience yet even as it was happening even in themoment after the blast I had to admit it could have been worse I still had mylegs I had my arms I had ten fingers and ten toes my brain worked even after asevere concussion I was still alive it is impossible not to constantly think ofthe many veterans who have sacrificed so much more impossible not to think ofSeale Petty Officer second class Mike Mansoor who threw himself on agrenade while on a rooftop in Ramadi in Iraq 2006 saving his teammatesimpossible not to think of Air Force Master Sergeant John Chapman who foughtall night against the Taliban coming in and out of consciousness from his woundseventually succumbing to them on that Afghan Ridgeline but only after earningthe Medal of Honor for saving 23 servicemembers impossible not to thinkof my platoon members and dear friends Dave warson and Pat fix who were killedjust two months after I was evacuated from Helmand impossible not to think oftheir loved ones who had been expecting them home a month later impossible notto think of the eight men whose initials are tattooed on my chest in remembranceCharles Keating the fourth Patrick fix Dave warson Brad KavnerBrett Mary you Kevin Evert Brendan Looney and Tom Falcthis is the simple reality others have had it harder than me many many othersfrom that darkness comes realism from that realism comes gratitude fromgratitude comes perspective a healthy sense of perspective is an antidote tooutrage is an antidote to self-pity despair and weakness it's not a cure-allfor your mental state when faced with adversity but it is sure to dull theedges of your worst tendencies toward mental breakdown yeah that's the that'sthe perspective that you and I already talked about today that perspective thatit would be seemed like it would be very helpful for people to think about it isand you know I'm using extreme examples right not everybody can relate to thatbut they don't have to and I don't I don't want you to go be in a terriblesituation just to earn some perspective right like but just the simple reminderto yourself that it exists like somebody else has had it harder that's there's acomfort in that I think and it is an antidote to self-pity self-pity is agateway to the outrage culture that I think we see all around us and so thatis a gateway to the socialistic tendencies I think that we've beenseeing as of late and you can avoid these things with some perspective andgratitude and you know it's it's again it's it's hard for anybody the teams toever feel sorry for themselves when you know because you know of these guys andyou know some of those guys I listed of courseand you know if there's ever a reason you need to get up in the morning not at4:30 but like like later you know get a normal human time then then the boys whowish they could get up you know that's a good reason because they would like tobe able to get up and they can't and their widows are really wishing theywould get up too and they can't you know and the Manus where I mentioned unsungheroes but the widows are here the the heroes of the SEAL Teams III have yet tomeet the wife of one of those guys who fell into self-pity and despair I haveonly met I only know ones who have overcome with the greatest grace it'sjust amazing I've watched these watch these women just serve as the mostultimate example mothers as well you know that I know you know like DebbieLee for instance it's absolutely it's just it's just incredible to watch thatfortitude we just we just couldn't do it without them yeah it's always one of thethings about about marks mom and life and I talk about this a lot is you knowwhen when we called her from Iraq to talk to her and to console her she wasconsoling us you know she was wanted to make sure we were okay she wanted tomake sure we were handling think she wanted to know if we needed anything youknow that was her attitude out of the gate now and that shows you you know thekind of people that you're talking about you know someone that's that's takingtheir own personal worst nightmare that any you know any parent could ever haveof losing their kid and immediately saying well what can I do for you guysyeah it is unbelievable he's uh you know it was recent friendgood friend I lost was was Chuck Keating the fourth and you know his his wifestarted a foundation in his name his dad as well and his family's justbeen incredible but that's not that that's that's not the exception likethat's been the rule from what I've seen and it's so much harder to be the familyleft behind than it is to to be us I think you know we go and we choose to dothis thing overseas and we're doing it with our brothers in arms and we love itand we know what's coming the next day we we're in control to an extent to thegreatest extent we can be but our family is not there they're their life doesn'tchange except that we're just not there and they don't know what's happening andthen they get a call and I don't actually go into detail and my wife'sexperience on the perspectives from darkness but but you know she gets acall and so her only consolation is that it's a call and not a guy at the doorbut you know it's a call that she's getting before 6 a.m. and before she heralarm goes off to go to work and and then there's you know the very typicalkind of lack of exact information given to her she's not sure what my face lookslike because they're because they don't know what my face looks like they're notsure if it's still there but my head is still there like there's all thismisinformation get enough enough information to just plant seeds ofabsolute horror it's horrible and guess who but but you know who the who youknow who went there first was the loony family row you know it's like it's it'sit was it's Amy Looney their canoe her husband two years earlier and she's theone there consoling Tara and it's just that that's the type of community thatthe SEAL Teams is blessed with and you know it's it is it is a true blessingand it's unique I wish were broader I wish we could say youknow I talked to other friends and other and other communities that it doesn'tseem it's not as good and I wish it was I wish we should all strive to just totake care of each other in that way so rolling into your next chapter and Ihaven't made my caveat that I always make I'm not reading this whole bookright now and so when it skips around it's because I'm not reading the wholebook you have to buy the book so that you can hear the whole thing and andthen we're just you know you and I are going off of a bunch of tangents andwhich is awesome but you know the book that has so many great details in it andthe stories are so clear and they're real personal too so you got to buy thebook to get that got to buy the book you gotta buy the book so the next chapterwhich you mentioned earlier is called who's your hero and I'm gonna jump tothis part right here where you talking about the SEAL Teams it says the SEALTeams like any like many military units are relentless in the pursuit ofestablishing hero archetypes doing so is extremely important when the goal is tocreate a monoculture that operates as a mission oriented teamthis is a community with a very deep sense of who we want to be we talk aboutit all the time and we beat it into our trainees Jocko specifically into ourtrainees I did some here's some of the things that will be beaten into you youwill be someone who is never late you will be someone who takes care of hismen gets to know them and puts their needs before yours you will be someonewho does not quit in the face of adversityyou will be someone who takes charge and leans when no one else will you will bedetail-oriented always vigilant you will be aggressive in your actions but neverlose your cool you will have a sense of humor because sometimes that is all thatcan get you through the darkest hours you will work hard and perform even whenno one is watching you will be creative and think outside the box even if itgets you in trouble you are a rebel but not a mutineer you are a jack of alltrades and master of none and then you go into the official ethos which youmentioned earlier I was debating if I should read this andI think I'm actually just gonna read it it's a good ethos so here we go in timesof war or uncertainty there's a special breed of warrior ready to answer ournation's call a common man with uncommon desire to succeed forged by adversity hestands alongside America's finest special operations forces to serve hiscountry the American people and protect their way of life I am that man myTrident is a symbol of honor and heritage bestowed upon me by the heroesthat have gone before it embodies the trust of those I have sworn to protectby wearing the Trident I accept the responsibility of my chosen professionand way of life it is a privilege that I must earn every day my loyalty tocountry and team is beyond reproach I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellowAmericans always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselvesI do not advertise the nature of my work nor seek recognition for my actions Ivoluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession placing the welfare andsecurity of others before my own I serve with honor on and off the battlefieldthe ability to control my emotions and my actions regardless of circumstancesets me apart from other men uncompromising integrity is my standardmy character and honor are steadfast my word is my bondwe expect to be we expect to lead and be led in the absence of orders I will takecharge lead my teammates and accomplish the mission I lead by example in allsituations I will never quit I persevere and thrive on adversity mynation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than myenemies if knocked down I will get back up everytime I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect myteammates and to accomplish our mission I am never out of the fightwe demand discipline we expect innovation the lives of my teammates andthe success of our mission depend on me my technical skill tactical proficiencyand attention to detail my training is never complete we train for war andfight to win I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear inorder to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country theexecution of my duties will be swift and violent when requiredyet guided by the very principles that I served to defend brave men have foughtand died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound touphold in the worst of conditions the legacy of my teammates steadies myresolve and silently guides my every deed I will not failso that's the seal ethos and interestingly or if you know where thatcame from no I was actually I just thought aboutthat in last three seconds so I was like I would love to be a fly on the wall asthis was getting drafted so it was written in 2005 a bunch of us went toSan Clemente Island I would say there was maybe 10 or 15yeah probably 10 or 15 teen guys that went out to San Clemente Island and madethis and made the the other like shorter one the little the little short SEALethos and it was actually part of what was driving it was in response to beforeI think was before with what year did you get to the teams started buds in2006 yeah okay so in like 2003 2004 there was a platoon that just there wasa platoon commander that dyed his hair he was overseas on deployment dyed hishair blonde had a pierced earring and was selling drugs to his platoon I meanjust a total disaster and then there was a bunch of other you know look as youknow as we know like we're in the news a lot and there's spikes were one of theirnews for some negative things and so there was a couple other really negativethings that was kind of the peak was this guy dealing drugs inside of his ownplatoon and the platoon being a total disaster and getting disbanded and senthome from deployment by the way this is like during a time ofwar so you know the admiral who you know was a great guy said look we need to dosomething about this and that's what so we went out and the and this is whatcame out of it I'm looking at I still remember some little things like therewere some things where I was you know a little bit more a woman I wanted them tobe a little bit more aggressive on some things like yeah I rememberI remember I got shut down one of the lines that I was like no it should bedestroy your enemy like that's what we do and it didn't make the cut I think itwas in I think it was this part right here where it says I stand I stand - Istand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order toachieve my mission and the goals established by my country my version itwas to achieve my mission and destroy my enemy or destroy the enemies of ourcountry something like that and I got I got the reins pulled in on me there wasthere was quite a few but you know I did all right I mean we got some disciplinein there right we did pretty good I love to see what the chaco version would beyeah you wanted to go more aggressive no way impossible to believe you know andit's interesting and one of the reasons that like a lot of the discussion aroundit and there were some grand there was a bunch of great guys out there I mean itwas like the Admiral picked guys to go out there was pretty awesomea great crew of people and at the time you know it was 2005 like we didn'treally have as much combat experiences we have you know now which is justawesome but my attitude was like listen we're not writing this 405's right we'renot writing this for SEAL team commanders or Commodores like this thingshould be leveled at the point of aim point of impact should be an e5 teamguys look I know that this guy that was a was an officer that had this badplatoon but like that's that's who not who were named it we should not havethose problems and like that's yes we got to handle that but this should beaim point of aim point of impact should be an e5 team guy that's that's needs tounderstand the ethos and go hey I need to do the right thing because by the wayif you're in a platoon and you've got squared away he fives they'll destroythat they'll they'll crush that officer that's doing dumb things yeah they'llkill him not kill him literally Vietnam frag style but they will get him removedyou know and you know that's what will happen so yeah and I think it hits thatpretty well yeah yeah it does pretty good it does pretty good yeah it's agreat ethos and it was awesome to be out there when this thing was gettingwritten and then see it you know I it it'salways interesting to be a part of things like that that you don't reallyknow like I mean you don't run it really understand what you're doing at the timeyou know you're just trying to get the job done you're trying to do a good jobbut you don't always know what the impacts gonna be later when you when youdo something like that but yeah it's an honor to be out there and make thathappen or help make that happen again there's a bunch of people out there Iwas I may very well but know that I wouldn't I won't say was the junior guybut there because there was you know there was a bunch of Master Chief's outthere a bunch of badass Master Chief's here so yeah it's cool and it's justit's so important and I'm gonna stop jumping ahead on the book now that Iunderstand what we're doing because I've already yeah I already hit this partpre-brief to you I guess yeah but the it's so important for an organization tounderstand who they want to be and that was the whole reason I put the sealethos in there because there's a deep cultural mindset that is beaten into usyou know quite literally there's the more high-minded philosophical approachwhich is the seal ethos but it does a good job of relating to the the lowestlevel guy to but it's it's it goes way beyond the steel ethos I mean there's somany other lessons that get repeated like mantras throughout trainingthroughout but it's about who you are like what it means to be a guy who wearsthe Trident like what that really means and this is simple stuff you know and Ilisted some of it earlier right left just don't quit just be on time likework when no one's watching you know it's like just really simple stuff butit's like it's who you better be and you better be funny okay that's actuallypart of our culture harder to be a better to you guys you better have areally sick sense of humor and like you better go after each otherbut it better be funny yeah you know it's gotta actually and like we rely onthat dark humor in a really fundamental way that I think it's maybe maybe a sideof us that isn't as prevalent in all the books and all the movies but like I liketo think we're pretty damn funny I mean I've been on Saturday Night Live soobviously I'm funny yeah you know yeah I know a thick skin andyou know the ability to verbally spar with people 24 hours a day from themoment you report in to work the moment you show up until and any mistake thatyou make you better you know you you throw a shot on a you know while you'reshooting you throw a shot and hit something that you shouldn't hit orwhatever it's you just sign up for ridicule because that's what's about tohappen the greatest thing it really is you got a bunch of stuff in here that'syou start talking about traits and you know again it's what's what you'retalking about some of the traits of you must be someone that can take a jokeit's very simple you want to be productive you want to be someone thatmakes progress every single day you want to be someone who identifies a goal andsticks with it again you know what I like about these is just going back tothe earlier conversations if you think about how you would want your kid to actthese are good things this is how you want your kid act you want to be youwant to be seen as reliable you want people to ask things of you because youhave a reputation for getting it done reliability is an element of force thatyou want to be you want to have the ability to delay gratification amentally tough person can avoid the next cupcake and save it for later afterearning with some exercise you want to be even-tempered you don't ever want tolose it emotions don't drive your actions you want to be humble you haveconfidence but not overbearing you want to be someone that internalizes someoneelse's point of view before speaking at them like these are the kind of thingsyou're talking about and and you you you put you say this the question is how dowe become the heroes we want to be my answer sanctioned intellectual propertytheft that's how no one has a patent on goodhabits you can steal them identify your heroes and emulate the character traitsthat make that person more successful than you currently are and this and thisgets into this I love this this is one of my favorite chapters to write becauseI love psychology you know Jordan Peterson's one of my favorite thinkersout there there's a lot of psychological references in this chapter andand then another one too but especially this one and hero archetypes and wealready already hit what I meant by hero archetypes and that and I just thinkthat's so important you have to have a visualization of what you're looking upto you have to look at yourself in 10 years and think okay that's that's howhow would that person react to this situation I should react that way nowlike you know and it's hard and this isn't supposed to be easyand when I say sanctioned intellectual property theft it's like look at theattributes of people you respect you know like what are they doing like ifyou want to get to where they're at just copy them this isn't this isn't rocketscience you know if this is an anyone any of your listeners are like well yeahthat's why I listen to Jack oh you know yeah who isn't and you and I weretalking about this earlier this idea of sanctioned intellectual property theftyou know extreme ownership is this his personal response did I did I did I makeup personal responsibility in the form of extreme ownership no I didn't Ididn't make up the you know discipline equals freedom I did am I the firstperson that ever said you know what if you have discipline in your life you'llhave more freedom I mean it's in the Bible like these aren't things that Iold ideas of the best exactly and you know maybe I worded it in a way that waseasier for people to understand or came at it from a different angle or whateverbut the fact of the matter is this stuff's out there and these are thesethese traits that you're talking about are just as you were saying earlier it'slike oh we want your kid to not lose their temper that that's what you wantyour kid to be reliable these are really basic things and yet if you don'tidentify them which is your point if you don't identify them and you know that'swhat in the warrior kid book so I written these kids books well one of thethings in the warrior kid books is first his uncle who's a seal teaches him allthe different codes mmm all the different warrior codes from fromancient times till today to the ranger coat to the seal coat they're in thebook and then he says you need to write your own code and that's what he does inthe book right says code of what it means to be a warriorkid and that's what he lives up to so same thing you're saying here yeah it'sin and then again to the discussion about hierarchies and why that's kind ofan important way of looking at this because it and also why I said you don'tpick a person to be your hero you pick many real or imagined characters who whoexcel in a certain hierarchy and that that's an important thing to definethere's different types of hierarchies like some people excel in a jiu jitsuhierarchy if you want to be good at jiu jitsucopy this person okay but you don't listen to everything they say becausethey might be all screwed up in some other way this is right this is it thisis a fact yeah but but like you know follow this leader like there'ssomething about that leader that I like and that there's something that makes mewant to follow them what is it I should identify it I can start to emulate thosebehaviors one note I made in in in your book here is uh when you said when yousaid to do that I have plus bad examples and in my latest book leadershipstrategy tactics I had this beautiful situation unfolding where I had ahorrible officer that we had a mutiny and got him fired and then the guy thattook over was the best guy ever and super humble gave us ownership I mean hewas just awesome but I learned probably as much from theegotistical guy and seeing how we all reacted to him and seeing how we didn'twant to listen to him we didn't want to follow as I learned from the guy thatwas a just fantastic leader sure so I look at you know hey here's here's I wasalways pulling the good things from people but then also looking at peoplewith negative examples and saying okay I know not to act like thatthe villains yeah that heroes you got to have villains and it's um and and Iguess the point of that chapter is is yeah to remind people of what some ofthe good attributes are and and to then to cut and to think consciously aboutidentifying those attributes identifying yourself as the hero you want to be andthen living up to that so that's that's part of it but and but the broadercultural conversation is the fact that outrage culture isthis product of the fact that we have we have started to looked at the wrong heroarchetypes we have started to elevate attributes that are not heroic at allinto a heroic reality and and it's it's not good and it's sort of that's thesecond part of the chapter the wrong heroes and it's it's it's what we talkedabout this aggrieved victim status the the loudest person on the internet thesnarky astone on the Internet the one owning the libs or the cons you knowit's like that one gets the most likes like it's its passion oversophistication and these are not good things I understand that it'sentertaining right I understand the temptation especially on social mediabut it's really detrimental to our larger conversation you know why shouldthe fists banging activists you know you know speaking truth to power whateverthe hell that means why should that be the person we listen to just becausethey're mad like why why does anger beget some kind of credibility itdoesn't make any sense but that's how we're acting as a culture it doesn'tmake any sense though and like I just want us to think through that I guessthe whole point of the chapter and we'd be better off if we started to kind ofrediscover the heroes that have gotten us through thousands of years ofcivilization and again the oldest ideas are the best ones if people have beentalking about certain heroic attributes for thousands of years there's reallygood chance those are good ideas because they've lasted and they've gone throughtrial and error but but like every generation you know you got it fun whenyou have to teach those they deals and and then as a young person you have tostop and think maybe there's a reason it's like this maybe I'm not the firstone to think in revolutionary terms you know like just maybe okay there's areason your granddad is telling you it's this way and it's not because he's juststupid and out of touch like just stop and like let's think about that as apossibility yeah there's it's weird with this Iwould love to try and trace back the roots of this because one thing I don'twant one time we were on this podcast we were talking about something andsomebody asked a question on a key and I basically what I said was and Ithink you turned it into a clip echo Charles as I was saying like hey yougotta stifle those emotions but don't let those emotions out what are youkidding me like you can't let that show and the reaction from some people wasyou know that's horrible you should never stifle your emotionsthey'll that'll you be turns into these whatever the mental problems and allthis stuff and I'm like people took what I said to the extreme which clearly Idon't really believe in anything extreme that's why I wrote the book dichotomy ofleadership right extreme ownership yeah yeah yeah well well interestingly youknow extreme ownership can be taken too far and you can have people inleadership positions that go to an extent where they want to own everythingand they don't decentralize so that's why we wrote the dichotomy of leadershipbecause you have to find balance in everything so with this idea of stifleyour emotions look oh if you lose a loved one I'm not saying you need towrite off the whole time right no and also as a leader in any position ifyou're walking around completely stoic with no emotions you won't attack youwon't you won't you won't connect with anybody and so you don't have anypersonal connections with anybody that's not a seal platoon if you're in a sealplatoon and you have no personal connection with your guys and yourplatoon you're not a leader if they don't respect you they won't follow youand I've seen that kind of leader yeah absolutely doesn't work it doesn't workso when I say stifle your emotions I'm talking about your little petty emotionsthat your guests spawn up about something yeah that's what I'm talkingabout and you know and especially in mybusiness and like politics it's like you realize quickly you've got to definewhat you mean in very clear terms because everybody's first reaction is tototally take it out of context or or just assume the worst of what you meantassume the worst of intentions I go into the great amount of detail about this inthe book too because that that's that's a that's a big marker of outragecultures this does need this like desire to be like just assume the worst of whatyou meant Oh stifle my emotions oh okay just walkaround like robots of course that's not what you meantyou know like let's let's be gracious with how we understand each other justlike just a just a tad would be a lot better off next chapter it's called noplan B which is you know got a little counterintuitive sound to it because asa seal and as a human being you're always like oh you know gotta have aplan B in case something goes wrong here's your premise behind behind thisyou don't entertain the plan B option because when you do your entertainingfailure and in entertaining failure you will embrace it ultimately the no plan Bmentality isn't about keeping you from doing something rather it's aboutembracing a positive goal as your only choice it's about enabling you to dosomething it's about clearing the path to your goals to your achievements toyour tasks and your responsibilities so you're explain your idea behind no noPlan B so this this started out as I was thinking about how not to quit at Buddsand and whenever any time I'd ever been asked that question I would simply saywell because I never had a choice because I just didn't think about budsas a choice I didn't think about it as an achievement that I would you knowhopefully make it was just like okay I just have to do this because that's justI just have to you know and like and I think most of us who made it throughbuds yeah just had that mentality like okay just I just have to do another boatrace and man this really sucks like I really hate this but I just Ijust I don't have a choice you know like it's there's no other option there'ssomething liberating about that mentality it's the only mentality youcan have and it is truly a no plan B mentality so and I'm very Anna and Iexplained that in the book I'm like I don't mean no contingencies obviouslyyou have to plan ahead but no plan B is fundamentally about not quitting and notquitting needs to be defined rather carefully you know and i and i point outlike changing directions in life could seem like quitting it's not necessarilylike you're not a good artist just stop it's just not good it's timeto change directions man you know and that's okay like that's that's okay thatdoesn't like you know it's and then I go into much deeper converseabout living with purpose ultimately what I mean by living your plan a andnot living your Plan B it is about living with purpose and purpose issomething only you can tell really if you're living up to it or not it's hardto tell from the outside but you know you know if you quit like you know ifyou just didn't do the right thing to live up to your end goal and and and andexecute the millions of smaller tasks that you need to execute to live up toyour end goal and I think this is also the chapter where I really go into somedeeper discussions about one of my favorite quotes from Saint John Paul orPope John Paul the second which is in America freedom is is it's not the rightto do what you want but to but to what the freedom to do what you ought or I'mscrewing up that quote a little bit but the point is this you live with orderedLiberty ordered Liberty means we live with a purpose we have with freedom andwith that freedom we have a responsibility to live as we ought tolive and then we have to define okay what is living how we ought to live likethat's a whole other discussion this is why religion is so important this is whyreligion is such an important foundation our judeo-christian history is a veryimportant foundation of our culture even if you don't believe in God you have toadmit that we get our morality from this place from the Ten Commandments and thatmatters like it matters in a really deep way and I'm a Rhino are kind of thatsense of absolute morality and where our laws come from and where this is wherethis notion comes from of what it is to do the right thing like how do youdefine the right thing again we've already talked about this if it's basedon thousands of years of wisdom and trial and error there's a good chancethat it's right okay not a guaranteed chance but there's a really good chanceeven if it doesn't feel good or doesn't feel nice and compassionate it's realand it creates a sustainable Society and ultimately sustainable societies areshould be our end goal now I'll check out rage culture is is counter to asustainable xiety it is it is chaos manifested inour our words and our actions yeah the you say here pure freedom ischaos anarchy and moral decay freedom to do what you like without any moralcompass can quickly result in the temptation to indulge in habits that mayfeel good momentarily but are wholly detrimental to yourself and others purefreedom detached from a higher sense of purpose results in at best inoverindulgence lack of discipline unfaithful relationships and some druguse at worst they can result in the total deterioration of a society and andyou know this is I think it was actually Jason Gardner went before he was out ofthe teams but he he was listening to podcast he was you hear me talk about Ithink he's heard me talk about the gulags or or just something and he goeshey discipline equals freedom that applies to societies - doesn't it I'mlike yes it does if you have total freedom everyone do it whichever youwant well then you you you're destroyed and you end up a slave - well you end upa slave to any number of things whereas if you have discipline inside of asociety which is called law and order and you follow those rules well then youactually end up with more freedom which is what we try to do here in disciplineequals freedom is the simplest way of putting that because it's it's very trueand if it's been true for a very long time it's indeed indeed a next chapteragain I'm jumping forward to your next chapter this is the Challenger if we'vegot to read the book yeah they want more absolutely a lot more in there there'sthere's a ton and you know you do I you you give a lot of almost academic levelback up so you give some like common sense stuff you give some academic canyou talk about the psychology psychology cool viewpoint of things some historicalreferences you do a great job of balancing out what you're saying andshowing multiple examples from different aspects so that's why there's that's whythe book you have to read the book to get all that information the next one iscalled be still I got to read this little section in the SEAL Teamsour first exercise in training the mind to be still is drown proofing and yes itis it is ridiculous as it sounds as legend has it and it may indeed just belegend drown proofing originates from the story of an American POWs Vietnam asthe Vietcong transported him along the Mekong River they decided they'd haveenough had enough of him and threw him overboard but this was not somemagnanimous gesture of human civility he was not being released for good behaviorthey expected him to drown it was reasonable expectation his hands weretied behind his back and his feet were tied together visualize that for a for asecond this creates quite the predicamentespecially when you are trying not to drown he had to figure out how to swimto shore and as the story goes he did just that ever since then a key elementof seal training involves drown proofing us making sure that we too can jump froma boat with our hands and feet tied and then you go over the multiple ways to dothis and you say here to do this it requires that you do not panicwhile instructors are yelling don't panic and and that's you know you talkedabout that as being sort of one of your first lessons and learning how to becalm and not freak out about stuff it's it's it's such a necessary part ofmilitary training and drown proofing is an excellent way to do it not notbecause we actually think that might happen like how I'm lucky would that bethat'd be unlucky or lucky and it's like wow okay you like is just like trainingyou know they put a weight on you though you're screwed or you know there's a lotof ways to tie you up anyway I'm not the point the point is not that you'repreparing for this specific eventualitiesthe point is is that you you have a set of skills and you better implement thoseskills while the fear of drowning is all around you and of course it gets worsethan the drown proofing gets into dive comp or pool compco which is my it'sprobably my least favorite thing in buds when I got to buds I had no idea what itwas they had a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie poster up but it hadit was crossed out and said buds pool caught Massacre and they had like drowna regulator on a person getting murdered by Leatherface yes yeah so I was likewell I wonder what that is but yeah sure enough sounds great yeah sign me up youknow uh I think like yeah I felt poke on my first my first go at pool cop Ifailed and I was recycled to the next class no I mean I know how we I got toretest again on Monday so I'm cool comp on Fridayyeah and we got retested on Monday if we failed I failed okay well yeah I mean Ifeel first very rarely very really through the first time yeah I was nothappy what's welcome pool comp is they put anold-school dive rig on you so like the old-school scuba tanks and this thingcalled the what's it called a dual hose regulator I think there's a hose thatcomes in that brings the air and there's one that you blow out and they put youdown on the bottom of the pool and they just start to just mess with you theyrip your regulator or the rip your mask off and then they start tying knots inyour regulator that you have to then untie underwater and you have to followall these proper procedures to get everything back on meanwhile they'reslapping you in the head they're grinding your face into the thing intothe pool deck and it's it sucks and eventually they tie something called awhammy knot which is a knot that you can't get out and so they tie thiswhammy knot and then you have to go the proper ditching procedures which meansyou take your rig completely off you try you have to attempt to get it to work ifyou can't get it to work you take off your weight belt you lay itover your rig and then you look at your instructor you give them the thumbs upand then you do a proper free swim or ascent and if you mess up any of you andthere's procedures for everything if you mess them up then you fail so but it'sit dude it's it's it's no joke like they come out and freaking hammer you yeahand they always they always get you as you have exhaled so yeah they'rewatching the bubbles wave in the way they've called a surf hit mmm like sothey're simulating this wave this amazingly complex wave that somehow tiesyour hoses and it's like isn't true that's not realokay like there's no wave like that but it's not the point you know it's it'ssame with drown proofing that the point is not to prepare you for thiseventualities there is no way in hell that your hoses will ever be tied inknots mostly because you'll never use a riglike this that actually can be tied in knots because this rig is not it's it'sjust for training so that's not the point into the point is the proceduresthe point is you're drowning will you still calm yourself and workthrough procedures that's the entire point of the exercise if you panic youare going to fail and there's physiological reasons for that becauseyou're using more objects freaking out and there's psychological reasons andthey're just the instructor these instructors are seals they don't want aguy in the teams that's gonna be on a dive with them that's gonna freak out ifsomething goes wrong because stuff goes wrong when you're diving yeah so thatthat T you know from your perspective was a was a the initial recognition oflike hey I better be calm right be still as you say and yeah the reason I say bestill because I was thinking of the patrolling acronym that we use localsyep no stop look listen smell mm-hmm and that's that's exactly what it soundslike you stop because you've you've you've done something to in theenvironment maybe you landed with a helicopter and that's actually you knowI don't want to give too much away in the book but there's a really greatintro to this chapter everybody you got to buy it and know what it is and so youstop and you you you've created a disturbance so stop and look around justchill and look around and then keep movingthat's sills sills we just that's what we say and as a patrolling tactic italso kind of sounds like still and it's kind of the same meaning same oh yeahfor sure that's why I named the chapter be stillthere and and then you apply that to your life because I I understand thatnot everybody is going to be thrown overboard with their hands and feet tiedbut if you are I go in a great detail about how to overcome that particularpredicament it is yeah there's a lot of methodology there it's much easier thanyou think as long as you don't panic so and uh it'll this is another chaptercalled do something hard so hey you know what you do something art could be drownproofing and everybody can do this do it with a buddy though we're not surethat's the worst thing one up one down luckily it's hard to tie your own handsbehind your back without a buddy so the the point is this it's again old lessonscount to 10 before you react but that's fundamentally what this chapters aboutand we have a had a habit lately given the given the extreme nature of our kindof immediate gratification that occurs with social media to react very quicklyand wildly about things our media reacts unbelievably quickly and wildly aboutthings and it is it is a disservice to our country it is I mean I that's anextreme statement but it is true and has gotten out of hand and it's it's so badthat I felt the need to write this book our media does it but we're but againtheir media is feeding off of us we have to do better as individuals we have toto say like that's not going to work on me you know that extent that that quickover-the-top reaction is not going to work on me I'm not gonna do it I'm notgonna feed into it I'm not gonna reward it that's that's our duty you have tonot click on clickbait headlines yeah well I mean I can't help myself I'mgonna click on the click but I'm not gonna react to it right yeah you know iteven for good practice go ahead and click on it see if it makes you mad andif it does do it again it's incredible when you click on a click same articleand I'm talking mainstream news media and you go oh my gosh I can't believethat happened and you click on it you're like wait a sec yeah that's not whathappened I just got click baited don't let ithappen and the problem is actually the problem is is that people don't clickthe problem is oh they're just really yeah and I go into the flooded detail onthat actually I give some example I could give examples every single day Ijust kind of chose some random ones for the book but an example might be theexamples I use in the book are regarding something like environmental regulationsbecause this is a very motion topic for people when you hear the Trumpadministration repealed 12 Obama era environmental regulations here's whatyou're thinking and be honest this is what you're thinking you're thinkingblack Gore Green sludge losing into a river you're thinking black smoke likeemanating from a factory all of a sudden while you know these corporate fat catscount their money and birds are falling out of the sky like this is what you'rethinking if you're being like this is the visualization that occurs but is ittrue nobody asks the second question is it true yeah what does this actuallymean or what does it mean or like why would they deregulate that you know whatwhy was it put in place just a few years ago you know I mean what kind ofregulation was it you know is there a good reason for and then I go intobasically a case study on something called new source regulation and wedon't have to talk about it now but it's it's I basically write a case study onthis because it's important like there's there's there's good examples andthere's and there's the there's in the headline about that particularregulation basically said you know Trump is removing air pollution regulations soagain your mind goes to those places I just talked about the article itselfkind of gives both sides like actually not a bad article and this is usuallythe case and my experience because I you know do this every day and my experiencethe the writer the journalist is not always but a lot of times like actuallykind of gives a balanced article but the editorialized headline is terribletotally misleading you know that their own article debunks the headline andyou're like what the hell is going on here okaynow a lot of that's oftentimes because the journalist is not the one writingthe header okay so that's it's a whole different story and then you look intoit right and it's like okay well it turns out yeah they want to they want tomake it easier for factories to to update their systems or power generationplans to update their systems they don't want to have them go through this newsource review regulation which is extremely costly and unpredictable andenvironmentalists say well that's just Kadesh you're just given giving away tocorporations right you're deregulating them but it's like well no as it turnsout if you want to put a carbon capture addition to your power plant which meanscapturing more pollutants or carbon dioxide then you can you have to gothrough this extremely costly new source review well maybe we should stop thatyou know thinking that's and that's the background you know any I go to can goto a lot more detail on that but just one example I can think of an examplealmost every single day like the headline just isn't what you thinkyou know let's let's let's bring it back to coronavirus so the headline is youknow the Trump administration screwed up the coronavirus tests like South Koreais testing 20,000 people a day and we've only done like you know 10,000 tests orsomething and by the time you're listening to this podcast that realityhas changed drastically but in our current moment that's what happened inthe last couple months and there's some truth to that like the America wasbehind on tests but who's actually at fault ask the question right and thenlook into the answer from some different sources the truth is FDA never approvedany South Korean test for all we know those tests aren't very high qualitythere's different kinds of tests you know they might give false positives orfalse negatives that stuff matters when you're trying to control an epidemic youknow it would be easy to just by the South Korean test we don't do that notbecause Trump said we don't want to do it not because Trump isn't taking itseriously hell it's not even Obama okay it'sactually none of their fault it's just our system okay our system is in therefor a reason like we have a very strict system fromthe FDA on what kind of tests can be used for stuff like thisnow that exists for a decent reason for instance if people remember the I thinkit's called fairness the the lady who has sake the cancer that's absolutelycalled theros yeah no I tracked on that time because there's a is a veryinteresting case that oh yeah we're in the corporate yeah for about a milliondifferent reasons it's a really interesting case story and just thatfake the cancer treatment or wasn't just cancer it was like hey you can identifyliterally hundreds and hundreds of problems that you could have medicallyfrom a single pinprick of right which is just just completely nottrue not true just not true now going into more detail that particular lab wasfederally regulated and qualified under a certain type of regulation through CMSbut they but not through the FDA's regulationsokay so eventually they work all right and that's what it's for like that'swhat the regulation is for so it's still annoying right it we should have moretests for the coronavirus available but our system was not designed to make thathappen quickly it should have been I'm not saying there's not room for somelessons learned here and some change and we will make those changes actually theadministration frankly already has so but the only way to do it is to get theprivate sector involved and to give them the flexibility to do the test and thento and then to streamline the FDA's testing of that test so that we knowit's actually a decent test you know there was this the point is right likestop and think and and wonder be curious like is is it true that a test is just atest like of course not like there's all different types some SWAT you know Imean it's summer lab some of our test kits like somewhere more accurate thanothers like that is it possible that it's more complicated than the headlineis telling you is is it possible ittle bit possible you know and and again whenI say the media does is such a disservice it's because it's so you knowyou should have somewhat of a combative media against government it's you knowthat their their point is a check and balance against government but you wouldhope that their purpose would be to educate and that I believe that haschanged radically I believe they don't longer view it asthere is their duty to educate the public it's they they only seeconfrontation as their duty and I don't find that to be a good service to theAmerican people I would say that is an accuratestatement the news does that or has been doing that a lot though even likeregular local news they do that where they land but it's not you don't clickon it but it's the same concept when they say your is your cell phone killingyou yeah more at 11 you know so it's like that's the fake right therethey've been doing that for a long time yeah and then yeah then you then youlisten to it cuz you're like yeah I listen to it and then it's like oh yeahyou know someone who dropped their cell phone and it like made them you know dosomething they killed turns out to be like totally innocuous yeah yeahdebunked the headline speaking of headlines next chapter sweat the smallstuff this chapter this is the chapter where I gave you permission to complainpermission to moan and groan about the nitty gritty small but annoyingankle-biting inconveniences we face in our everyday livespermission to gripe about even your smallest troubles grumble about longlines at the drive-through and whine about the imperfect weather I'm actuallygoing to encourage it you're welcome okay don't thank me yet there arecertain ground rules one sweating the small stuff is okay but exercise yourcomplaints lightheartedly seek out humor and your whining be humble be self-awaretoo if you're all if you allow yourself to sweat the small stuff and I think youshould then you must also force yourself to be detail-oriented three if you allowyourself to sweat the small stuff then you must try your hardest not to sweatthe big stuff what are you talking about here what actually kind of goes back towhat you got a IIIi just restrain myself from moving to this chapter when you setit before when you when you got a bunch of criticism right for saying don't beemotional about stuff mm-hmm and people are like well if you can'ttell me that and that makes them emotional ironically but but in your inyour reaction was okay I'm not saying be a robot you know I'm just saying likedon't let it get the best of you and so I really wanted to be oh my god it'slike my chapter about sweating the small stuff because because every time you'retold you know oh don't sweat the small stuff and I'm likeoh I don't know about that I think there's some venting that has to occurand and I think we take it a little too far in the SEAL Teams oh yeah I mean wecomplain about the smallest of things but there's like it but I and I examinedthat like this chapters about examining that truth why do we do that are we abunch of divas yes yes but that is then that is true two things not isaffirmative that things can be true at once we can be divas but there's also adeeper reason and value to it as long as you do it right and I try to exact Ireally examine that carefully in this chapter about what the right way is tocomplain and like I try to set some ground rules like be funny being funnyis a decent way to do things it can't be too serious like there's a differencebetween complaining about how crappy the coffee is at the command and complainingabout the actual command atmosphere to your guys there's there's a bigdifference as from a leadership perspective there's a difference therelike one can be kind of funny and just like yeah stupid whatever coffees crapand the building's stupid or whatever like the same things people the gymisn't hard enough there's not enough weight cuz I'm stronger than whateveryou know typical dumb team guy complaints there's a difference a leaderso legitimate complaints though yes especially ya know I complain all thetime like oh guess we're at a 45 pound plates you know my deadlift but uh theas big as a leader especially the big difference between that and being likeour CEO is messed up yeah that's that's this is one of the things I talk aboutleadership strategy and tactics is like if you are just whitewashing everythingthis coffee is fantastic and it sucks you your guys are starting to look atyou going okay where does nothing real here you're not real and you think thatyou you're not question you're not pushing back against anythinghowever like you said if you come down and you say our commanding officer is anidiot that's gonna be problematic so you got ayou got to be careful about what you're complaining about tools to your pointcomplaining forms some level of bond right that's one of the things that wedo in the teams like we're gonna complain about the the freakin birthingthat we have and the this that the other thing it's like okay cool cuz we're allon the same team we're all complaining about itbut if somebody starts complaining about things that matter mm-hmm at a morestrategic level now we got a problem the other part of the don't sweat this orthe sweat the small stuff mentality is the detail-oriented part this is reallyimportant because one being detail detail-oriented is an element offortitude I would argue I think rather effectively and I wrapped it into thischapter though and you could probably wrap the detail-oriented mindset intomany of the lessons in this chapter but I put it into this one because if you'resweating the small stuff then by definition you are concerned about smallthings and it's not self-evident to me that being so chillax about all thestuff is a virtue and we sometimes see that as a virtue like like the big and Iknow like the dude from The Big Lebowski that guy doesn't care about anything butit's that girl other than bowling and White Russians he was pretty passionateabout those things that is true occasion area but um but you know it's like youknow you're you bet that that cool kid in high school who just like let'severything we're all off their back you know it's like the cool surfer dude I Igot it there is I'm not saying there's no value in that but it's notself-evident to me that that's what we should aspire to because it's notobvious to me that that there are highly productive people maybe they are notsaying they can't be but if you're not concerned with small things there's apretty decent chance you're not concerned about bigger questions in lifeabout bigger elements of personal responsibility or you might not be thatmotivated to to move up the hierarchy that we talked about and so beingconcerned with the small stuff is is a habit it's an Aristotelian in theAristotelian sense we build good habits that that are that are meant for ahigher purpose that's what makes them make good have it we do it because it isgood and so that's the deeper thing here yeahplaying a little bit like like especially you know on the way I'm awayhere we're going down as at midway Drive mm-hmm and San Diego has often had thisproblem and I've complained about it for a very long time which is that thelights are not synchronized they're not synchronized for traffic flow the waylike New York City is in Manhattan those are well synchronized lights one of mybiggest pet peeves is the lights are not synchronized because it's it's asolvable problem might into just synchronize the lights mm-hmm you knowas a city manager or a mayor Robert over at the system is and it's like as I wasgoing from red light to red light trying to get to the Jacko's podcast because Icannot be late because I just wrote in my book that I gave him don't be latethat was funny I was like these damn red lights you know and so my wife is like Iam so sick of hearing you complain about that where she's like she hates thischapter because she's she's so used to the seal team cultureshe's like why'd you even write this like don't encourage this I'm like I amtrying to encourage it to the right extent you know and because it is I amwalking a fine line for sure and we're trying to we're trying to reverse somesome commonly held beliefs and it was a fun chapter to write it was one of myfavorite yeah and obviously you just met me that dichotomy of this is if you getso focused on little things than you are wasting your time you know you'rewasting your time the the Matt's on my personal home gym my are dirty andpeople say your that's you need to clean your mats what kind of discipline isthat I'm like look I would have to spend an hour a day clean those mats to makethem look clean maybe even more than that I don't I don't careit's my garage gym there's chalk on the floor and sweat yeah that's the way itis I'm not worried about it yeah and that's that's a really goodpoint too and it's it's well it makes especially make sense in the in thecontext of the dichotomy right right balance and like and I'm and I and Ihope that what I write there helps people understand that there is abalance you know it's it's don't it's it's it's it's operating ingray area so that you can focus on the big stuff because you know Steel's liketo complain about wet socks like a lot like it's a and I go into great detailabout this and we avoid wet socks that uh you know to an extreme extent butwhen it when things get really hard you know we the complaining seems to stopwhen things are really serious we understand and have some perspectiveabout that and we and we act accordingly and and I think that's perfectlyrelatable to regular life you know it's it's so it's why we go it's why we goand do happy hours after work you know you just you're blowing off some steamin a healthy way it's why people go see a therapistlike you really just you're really just complaining to the therapist for an hourthat's that's not as they're venting echo says yeah it's like it's likeyou're just kind of letting that steam out so that you're you're you're holdingtank of emotions doesn't explode in somebody's face enough because that'show you lose an eye next chapter the right sense of shame in America today wetoo often look at personal failings as things to overcome move past or forgetsometimes we should do one or all of those things but we should also dosomething else learn our lesson the list of public figures who run headlong intoself-inflicted failure personal political or otherwise and thenre-emerge shameless without having appeared to learn a thing is long don'tget me wrong I'm no opponent of redemption far from it I certainlybelieve there should be space for re-emerging re-emergence from publicsport scorned I believe Redemption is a trademark of an enlightened society oneof the most one of the more detestable social trends now is mocking is themocking of redemption and the disc missing of the idea that it is possibleor even desirable in place of a system of repentance justice and mercy we havea culture of mindless fury and outraged cultureso you you talk about this sense of shamewhich is like a really important thing and I looked at this from a team guyperspective the amount of shame like for instance if you forget a piece of gearyou when when a guy in one of my platoons or my task unit made a mistakeI almost never had to do anything other than simply very quietly acknowledgethat that that I saw let him know you know and they all it takes rush theshame would just drive them to never make that mistake again that's whatyou're talking about here that we've kind of lost that in a sense like in ahuge in a huge sense and then the other side of that is like hey just becauseyou forgot something doesn't mean I go I don't want you in this platoon you're apiece of shit you can get no no no no it's like it's okay hey you made amistake you own it you admit it you tell me what you're gonna do to fix it andthen we're back on the level and I'm you know we're ready to move forward whichwe don't have and then of course you go into this whole episode that took placewith a comedian whose name is Pete Davidson is his name yep so this is thisguy this guy is on Saturday Night Live one night and he says they put a pictureup of you they put a bunch of a bunch of politicians up there mm-hmm and thenthey put a picture of you up and in and this guy Pete Davidson says this guy iskind of cool Davidson cracked Dan Crenshaw you mightbe surprised to hear he's a congressional candidate from Texas andnot a hit man in a porno the audience howled there as the audience howledDavidson jumped in with a quick aside I'm sorry I know he lost his eye in waror whateverso that happened via that happen I want to and most people know that story bynow in pretty DJ I do give some behind-the-scenes never-before-heardelements to that story yeah you know it's good detail which is why you got toread the book yeah but there why is that in the shame chapters the question Ithink also I want to hear your perspective on that whole thank you atfirst because you told me a minute ago yeah you know from my perspective itlooked like this like this just be clear like during the election when it allhappened because I was on your show last time well before it's ever happenedno one knew Dan Crenshaw was back then yeah we call it Jacko's listeners wellthen they did but I'm saying like when you first came on no one really you knowyou you you just started hey that was early and yeah so it was early and butnow all of a sudden man overnight everybody knew who you were because ofthis and what happened was from my perspective was people people startedhitting me up on social media like are you gonna you know denounce Saturdaylive and you know what did you think of this and then they put the little thingin there and you know of course my kind of gut was like kind of funny you knowlike my response was like kind of funny I don't know that that made me laugh buthere's the thing luckily for me I'm always behind onTwitter like I'm not quite caught up and as I finally started when I was likeokay I'm gonna respond to this right around then and I was like man what do II'm like think of myself I don't think Dan is like crying over this I don'tthink he's at home going I can't believe that some comedian like me I'm thinkingabout them but people are acting as if you were outraged they were outraged foryou and god bless him it wasn't like they're bad people they were justoffended by it right what we do now yeah they were offended by it and like youand I both know I'm like hey man that's something that probably has been said tohim a hundred times in a platoon space somewhere you know like they don't makefun of you for everything so anyways when I finally responded itwas like if I think Dan can handle himself or something I quoted you sayinghey whatever your thing which was like hey I'm not outraged it's fine he'sliterally a comedian and once again I'll use the term literally in its projectthe guy is literally a comedian he's supposed to make fun of things and makepeople laugh he's not doing political commentary and it's not a personalattack on you for just him just to attack you as a human being he's tryingto make people laugh so that was kind of my perspective it's funny how like whenyou're in a position like you are and I am in you know people like they hit youup on social media it's almost like this challenging like you better do this orI'll never never like you again and if you don't do what they want I liked youbut now now I can't or can't trust you anymore it's just funny how that worksso that's one element of it but the yeah the hit man in a porno thing was prettyfunny like that was that is no I don't think that even pissed off anybody to behonest um it was it was the the next go here's the next comment which was yeah Imean it was very submissive who's actually the whatever actually thewhatever yeah yeah if he hadn't sent that yeah he wouldn't have received anybacklash if you woulda said I'm sorry I know he lost his eye in war it'd havebeen like that's it you know what okay cool yeah and then he said or whateverright right and it was at a very dismissive tone and now okay so but whyis that in that chapter and it's because of this so the the point is is that thisthe Saturday Night Live story was a story fundamentally about showing theright sense of shame and reaction to that so because it could have gone a lotdifferent like I could have asked Jocko to be like denounced them for me andthey're like okay fine Dan Jesus and I could have actually stoked the outrageand just like played the aggrieved victim and if by the way if you readleft-wing media these days they'll say that's all the things I did it'sactually absurd how they rewrite is really Oh 100% it's insanelike but the lies that occur from being media don't get me started I'vealready started okay so that but that's not what happenedright I was like my line was something along the lines of like a you know inthis in this life like try not to offend people but also try really hard not tobe offended so you know it's kind of sucks what he said but now I'm not gonnaask for him to be denounced or I don't want I'm not demanding an apology becareful not to demand an apology I don't care if they apologize it's like my lifegoes on either way that's sort of how I stated that and no he shouldn't be firedpeople had asked me they should be fired like no like why you know and I'mremembering now you also said something along the lines of look I'm not reallyoffended but you may have offended other people like you kind of took a stancefor other vets that have been wounded has it been more grievously wounded thanyou that was the important line I had to walk on that the entire reaction becausethat's legitimate total easy you can't kind of can't forgive the guy right offthe bat you have to acknowledge that he was screwed up and but on the other handyou can also acknowledge that that he may have made a mistake like he may havemisspoke like it may have been sort of ad-libbed you know because that is avery highly scripted show but after working with Pete Davidson like he kindof goes off the rails sometimes and I mean on the show or on the ship in lifeboth okay obviously but you know so it's like eight you know oh is that it's kindof going back to be still like is there a chance that there's more to the storyis there a chance I don't have to act like an aggrieved victim I don't feellike an aggrieved victim so maybe don't act like it and so that gave that gaveSNL the space to invite me on the show if I had really stoked the outrage mobwhy would they invite me on the show you know because now I've put them in acorner and so you can see this going that way and this is how it usually goesright this code of extreme sense of shame must be showed and the extremesense of or the extreme outrage results in an extreme sense of shameand so we've miscalibrated how we feel shame in this country and that's aproblem for our culture and the reason Americans liked the whole SNL momentwith me and Pete was because it was the right balance so the right sense ofshame is about finding the right balance of shame because it seems like we havethese like two options and and I open up that chapter talking about all thesepoliticians who run headlong into failure and then like reemerge untouchedor unrepentant at all there's a lot of examples like that okay and I try tohave bipartisan examples by the way because I didn't want this to bereadable to to people of other than you know my conservative fanbase and and thepoint is is that yeah those politicians are bad peoplefor basically feeling no shame at the same time our culture has given them noincentive to feel any shame because the outraged mob is so severe and sounrelenting and so unforgiving that there's no incentive to actually reactthe way you should react and see you end up just not either not apologizing orapologizing profusely and like I actually in the book I actually actuallyanalyzed this with some bell curves and graphs that I drew it's like illustratethis visually for people so you just have to buy the book to see what I'mtalking about and what the point is is like we need to get back to the middleground where it's like I'm kind of sorry but I'm not really sorry you know andthere's some good examples of that like a used Ellen DeGeneres is a greatexample she took all this heat for like you know hanging out with George W Bushat the Dallas Cowboys game she didn't apologize she wasn't like you know Ididn't have done like the extreme apology I didn't realize how much pain Iwould cause the LGBTQ community she could have said that right and you'veseen other celebrities do similar things like similar apologies it's like you'vegot nothing to apologize for nothing and she didn't apologize she shejust kind of explained it and you gotta just put people in their place like heylike it's cool to hang out and be friends with people if you disagree withand that was it novel it was it was and it was it was a shediffused the situation rather elegantly and I use a couple other examples ofsome good ones too but that's what we have to be aspiring to and and we're notthere right now and then it gets into the the chapter gets into the individualsense of shame because this is that that's the cultural problem we havethat's the cultural outrage mob problem that have just described but there's amore individualistic sense of shame too about how you carry yourself throughyour daily life and and how you have to feel bad about something if you're goingto live your plan a like you have to know what it is and you have tounderstand right and wrong you can only understand right and wrong if youunderstand what you should feel shame about I'm gonna and I get again intokind of a religious discussion here about like our morality and like how weactually know right from wrong look this is a this it this is a deep thing tounderstand and how you should feel bad about certain things if you're going tolive the right way and then again we we do this meticulously in the SEAL Teams Ithink I have a story in there about just a debrief from a typical SEAL chief andhow that went you know we thought we did good no you didn't and you're gonna feelbad about it and you have to make yourself feel bad about it and that'sthat's that's the cycle that's the psychological reason the psychologicalunderpinnings of of this chapter is is you a seal chief or jaco can make youknow he can let you can let them know that they screwed up right but thequestion is do you feel bad about it most team guys do most team guys likeit's just it's hard to feel like you screwed up but in the other in theoutside world that's not always the case a lot of people are thinking whatever Ishouldn't even be in trouble I was gonna say since I was in a position where alot of times I was debriefing people and telling them that they screwed somethingup and the reactions were from a good this is the difference use it most teamguys good team guys go man we died up I'm gonna fix it bad teamguys go it didn't really matter that wouldn't have that would never happenreal world I would you know like they've got a million excuses they don't takeownership better than they and it just falls apart they feel no shame they feelno shame exactly they feel like it's not my fault it's it's not on me and andthere's a rationalization that occurs and you have to the only thing you cancontrol is your conscious mind okay so you can you can control the conversationgoing on in your head about how you rationalize that and the more yourationalize it the less likely it is that you actually feel the shame in yourgut because you guys at first you feel it like you know is your fault and youfeel it but then you rationalize it away and eventually that rationalization kindof takes over and you no longer even feel the shame and your gut and you'regoing down a very bad path at that point and again this this try to relate thisto very basic stuff in life like like don't you feel bad when you're that guywho kind of leaves the shopping cart in a parking spot because you should yeahyou know a bad person bad person you are you somebody's gonna hit that or itcan't park yeah or it's just a it's not the right thing to do just a bad personyou know you did it yeah no you are you're out there yeah you say in here weshould feel a sense of shame for not training hard enough for sleeping in toolate for eating that extra scoop of ice creamwe should feel regret after walking by a piece of trash next to storm drainknowing full well we'll go straight in the ocean we should feel bad for nottipping that hard working later we should be embarrassed when we owe afriend money and they have to constantly remind us to pay them back but more theteam guys are listening to that one we should feel lazy for leaving our foodtray on the table in a fast-food restaurant even though their trash cansare right there you go on you say we should be in short be accountable foreverything you do it was my commander Jocko willing echoCharles named Joe one of my mentors and the team's wrote an entire book on thesubject called extreme ownership the premise of the book is quite simpleeverything is your fault be accountable take ownership take responsibility fromthis responsibility you'll find freedom it is liberatingreally is it's liberating the worst thing the worst thing is trying to looktrying to do you're gonna blame because then you don't have control over it yeahwhen you say you know what this is my faultthen you're are free to go and make changes in your life free to fix thingsit's it's the deeper discussion about why personal responsibility is a bedrockof our cultural of our of our culture and our cultural foundations and as aconservative we always say it like I'm always like personal responsibility andin speeches I tried to delve into that a lot deeper like this is actually whatthis is the argument for why it matters and it's actually quite simple personalresponsibility is empowering and lack of personal responsibility is disempoweringthe other issue is its completely unsustainable for for a very society toengage any lack of personal responsibility it's unsustainablebecause by definition if you're not personally responsible someone else mustbe responsible for you and that's fine if like you're an infant or you knowyou're in the might you know it's a small segment of society right you canyou can again our our governments tries to take that into account but if youwouldn't actually encourage the undermining of the foundation itself theundermining of personal responsibility as a virtue in and of itself which iswhat's happening on the left to try to undermine that cultural foundationyou're creating an unbelievably unsustainable trajectory where it iswhere we we have more and more people who are who are convinced that somebodyelse should be responsible for them and therefore take their own power it'sunbelievably disempowering and it's it's it's just I you wouldn't wish that stateof mind on anybody except your worst enemies yeah you know it's again it'snot how you treat people you love and it's one of those things that's temptingright it's short-term gratification it's it's seems like the easier way to gobecause in the short term hey I just got this and I didn't have to work for ityou know mm-hmm that's the short term and unfortunatelywe know where it ends up mmm it's like a pyramid scheme think about it seemssaying I'm thinking about I'm I'm getting paid or whatever cuz someone gotto do the work at the end of the day but a pyramid scheme it's like everyone'swaiting for their turn oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and then at the end of the dayeverybody crashes because all who's doing the work no no no him no not himremember we're not doing anything no that's right ID to think that thatperson sex yeah that's what my initial thought was trying to put it togetherbut yeah you're right because you're building it on everyone's gonna getmoney yeah yeah that's so it's someone's coming from it it's basically thediffusion of responsibility yeah this is what you're talking about and sort ofthe tragedy of the Commons as well it's kind of a mix of all those things andit's uh not good it's unsustainable next chapter duty a sense of dutymy parents imbued in me a sense of duty to do that which has inherent value yougo on to say duty is ingrained in the human condition our great religious ourgreat religions are essentially based on a sense of duty to love God and livewell we have a duty not only to survive in this world but to pursue a higherpurpose we are here for a reason and living for that purpose is our choice tomake it is the path to happiness so again we're starting to talk about youknow the idea that you know you're gonna find happiness in some short-termgratification is not true right and this is this this chapter comes right afterthe sense of shame chapter because you have to understand what is wrong so thatyou can understand what is right and that is that is the the darkness and thelight and you have to live in both and sense of duty is its living your plan ayou know and I say don't live your plan B no plan B again that I explainedbefore that that was about purpose that's about living with purpose and sowe get into a lot more detail about what that is in this chapter we talked aboutthe great religions we talked about why that's importantand and then it's it's it's it's a duty to live at the books about mentaltoughness and so we bring it back into it's a duty to live with that fortitudeand and again to feel bad as this deeply intertwine with a sense of shame to feelbad when you don't to understand what that Duty is and how to live within itand I can remember if I list the 10 commandments in this chapter or thedifferent chapters yeah but it's the same kind of discussion oh no righthere's this chap it is this general character so the and then and so that'swhen I get into a really long discussion about where our laws come from so thisthis kind of goes into political philosophy as well and the fact is isthat the Ten Commandments are the origins of our law and I talked abouthow Moses the portrait of Moses is in the House of Representatives staringdown at the Speaker of the House and well along with 23 other law givers butMoses is in the middle Moses is the only one who's not inside profile that'simportant because he was the original receiver of law not man-made law butlike absolute law these things are true it can't be argued with they are justtrue all right like Commandments one through four basically say these aretrue you can't argue with them like believe in God and the rest of them arelike this is what you should do you know don't steal don't kill all that and anatheist could say welcome I know that yeah I don't need the Bible to tell methat I shouldn't do these things I know they're true my counter to that is howdo you know how do you know who told you who taught them where did you where dothey get them from how do you know they're true and they can't answer thatthey're true because they do come from a higher power they're true because theycome from thousands of years of wisdom and whether you believe in that higherpower or not you're still following it and you can't escape that reality if youstart if you try to and if you start to believe that that human morality ischangeable and that we can just choose that to change some of thoseCommandments well then you get the Holocaustlike it's it's a short path man like it's a short path to the horrors of the20th century the secularism of the 20th century killed millions tens and tens ofmillions and because we untethered ourselves from absolute morality it's areally dangerous path yeah when you talk about that and you end up saying at avery basic level this is back the book at a very basic level this is a shirkingof fundamental human duty and responsibility a responsibility to whatexactly politeness open-mindedness and grace for starters these are our dutiesto our fellow Americans just the basics if we lose those fundamental virtues welose our sense of unity without a sense of unity under an umbrella of commonvalues this whole great American experiment unravels and as you just saidwe've seen this before mmm common values exactly and and they come from somewhereand a large part of this book is about showing gratitude for your historygratitude for what works I like to say that you know again just being aconservative conservatism is based fundamentally on things that work thingsthat feel good the things that work and that's important you know doesn't meanwe're always right but most of the time I think at least the foundations are andyou can't just undermine the foundations of a society and and I see thathappening more and more unfortunately you rattle off some ofthese duties you have a duty to accomplish something every day you havea duty to live up to your best self the person you want to be the hero archetypeyou admire you have a duty to embrace shame and learn from it you have a dutyto be polite thoughtful patient you have a duty to overcome your hardships andnot wallow in self-pity you have a duty to contribute even if your contributionis small you have a duty to be on time you have a duty to do your job even ifyour job sucks you have a duty to stay healthy both for yourself and so you didso that you did not become a burden on others you have a duty to be part of thesolution not the problem in other words don't join the Twitter mob you have aduty to try hard not to offend others and try harder not to be offended andthis is where you start broaching into what I was saying earlier there is aselfish reason to live a life of purpose andresponsibility it will make you tougher and more successful we aren't perfectand we won't always adhere to these basic duties but I hope we can start toagree on what they are feel some shame when we fall short and begin living ourlives with purpose this is the time-tested formula for a strongerpeople and more than that a stronger America this is what this is what peoplemiss sometimes and I talk about this a lot from a leadership perspective from aleadership perspective if I'm a leader that tries to climb on people's backtries to make myself look good tries to always shine the limelight onmyself and find the best deal for myself if I'm that type of leader I might getahead for a second here there but ultimately I will not be in charge ofanything if you're the type of leader that takes care of your troops looks outfor the good of the mission you you look out for everyone above yourself ifyou're that type of leader look you might take you might take hits now andagain because you're you're propping up everyone else above yourself but in thelong run this is the this is the amazing thing in the long run you willabsolutely be a more successful leader than me who's over here looking out formyself and and that's a similar thing to what you're saying here which is like ifyou do these things which seem like sometimes they be a pain right gettingup every day and being on time taking care of your health like all thesethings that maybe you don't feel being polite to people right sometimes youjust want to do what I want to do that ultimately taking care of yourself andputting yourself as the supreme cause of your life ultimately you will be lesssuccessful than if you take care of other people if you treat other peoplewith respect if you do your job if you do those things that again on thesurface they seem like they might not help you in the long run you willabsolutely win absolutely and when you win your team wins your community winsyour country wins that's what happens right and your your individual actionsand habits and tasks that are inherently good we have to dig and we have to kindof redefine what good is because we've forgotten but that makes up the fabricof the larger culture and if we want a successful culture that isnot at each other's throats and not losing our minds because ofmicroaggressions and offenses then you've got to live within that and yeahtreating other people with respect and doing things for others again very basicbiblical teachings that are unfortunately being swept awayespecially in favor of a of kind of this sense of grandstanding and sense ofmorality where it's it's more moral to demand that others do something forothers you know like that's I've thought again I'm going back to the problemswith socialism it seems to me that sometimes say well Jesus was a socialistnow Jesus encouraged you to be charitable with your time and your moneyright that's what Jesus said he didn't say stand on top of a hill screamingthat other people give away their money that's not sorry like that's that's justyour missing to deliberately misinterpreting the teachings of theBible in favor of socialism like there's a few other biblical reasons I thinksocialism is not correct but but for our purposes on this chapter that's that's abig one sense of duty to give your time and your money and contribute that wayand it will make you more successful in the long run because building goodrelationships is a huge part of success we forget about that sometimes JordanPeterson goes into a lot of detail in that particular element which is it'skind of fascinating to get he's a big fan and has he been on your show threetimes times nope he was on before he was on beforehe was kind of popular yeah before 12 rules for life came out and then he wason a two times after that and yeah they're they're some of the most popularepisodes of the podcast until this one of course yeah sure yeah I'm sure it'sinteresting because a lot of people they make that mistake how you're like youhave to have to do it mm-hmm because people make that mistake with extremeownership - yeah yeah they're like hey if my boss would just get on board withthis this concept you know like yeah we problems my team would just takeownership yeah we're not talking about same feel andsame thing with relationships I've been using the percentage lately of 99.9% ofthe things that I got done in the military and did in the military werebased on relationships and not based on chain of command so every time one of myguys you know had a mission I didn't this is how you gonna do it no it's likehey how do you want to get this done every time my boss came to me they won'tlike hate job this you need you know they're like hey here's what we got whatdo you think everything was about relationships everything every theextreme example was in the Battle of Ramadi when we needed fire support fromtanks who needed to risk their lives to go and get my guys prevent them frombeing overrun in the field what those tanks didn't work for me they didn'tthey were in a totally separate chain of command and yet they would do it whybecause we had awesome relationships up and down the chain of command and soyeah absolutely relationship building is it's it's it's critical to every aspectof life and the little tagline that I often tell people is relationships arestronger than the chain of command 100 percent now 100 percent next chapter dosomething hard in Budds it's all about the next 10 minutes sometimes it's aboutthe next 30 seconds if you're thinking about buds in its entirety six brutalmonths then the font is simply too much the men who quit are the men who look upat the day before them and see all the days to come they are thinking they'rethe men who are miserable and wet and cold and thinking about the hot coffeeand girlfriend they miss and suddenly because they imagine the months-longsuffering they will inevitably face they break they are already using every ounceof endurance and fortitude to survive what's happening right now expandingtheir horizons to an infinite number of miserable right now does them in so youfocus on the next 10 minutes and remind yourself that the instructors can't killyou even if they're claiming otherwise thousands have made it before you youcan too what's on the other side of those months and months of 10 minuteblocks are over liberation transformation and meaning so that'sthat's one way to get through buds buds isn't six months long it's about fourminutes long right now I'm through it lots of four minutes lots and lots ofthem we're so longer for some of us if weextend our time by breaking a leg some just not it not great but also normalyeah normal a lot of people injured they get rolled back they got to go back overand over again so how does this how does this apply then to you know this isbroad advice to human beings yeah so because not everybody's going throughbuds and nor should they and obviously I'm using my own experiences here likethis was my transformation but buds is a transformation for a lot of seals it'swhat so it gives us confidence and it you push your limits so that you waypast what you thought were there so that you're confident enough to break pastmore limits when they come because they will come and you know they came from megetting blown up that was there was a limit that I didn't quite experienceeven in hell week and it got worse because things can get worse but hellweek and and buds in general and the mentality that we developed accordinglyat least allowed me to deal with it laterand so doing something hard it has a number of benefits one is kind of asimple sense of preparedness and the Stoics a reference Stoics stoicism a lotthroughout the book and the Stoics are referenced in this one because they daythey believed in hardship as preparedness so that's a very that's avery practical reason to just do hard stuff you know if you're worried aboutbeing homeless one day try sleeping on the floor sometimes like try going a fewdays with without the comforts of your home so that if it did happen you'dactually be prepared for it that that's a very simplistic way of looking at itbut like that's what they meant by that simple preparedness you know if you wantto be better at running a Mountain run up a mountain like it's youknow so this is the actor preparedness but there's a deeper reason why I thinkdoing something hard matters and it's the it's the psychology of suffering andso this is a chapter that has a lot of Psych references in it I am did a lot ofresearch on this one specifically with guy named dr. Allison from University ofRichmond and the benefits of suffering are well documented psychologically andphysiologically physiologically speaking interesting research that I am will gointo now but because again I want people to read itI don't want people that come away from this box i spell-checked got it you knownot flying that book now thanks Jocko so there's there's a lot more to it but umthe the suffering has inherent value and we've we've created this society wherewe try to avoid suffering and risk at all costs and there's it's notself-evident that that's a good thing in fact it's pretty evident that it's a badthing we've become more fragile as a result and again there's good researchthat shows that we've become a kind of this this fragile culture we need to beanti fragile hardship should make us stronger not just that we're resilientto it but that it actually makes us stronger this is this is fundamentallytrue again I think think though the Bible talks about this the psychologicalresearch talks about this there's there's evidence that you know againphysiological pain you know working out it changes your brain it makes youbetter at memory and if you're better at like if your brain works better I wouldargue that you're mentally tougher so like just again so start lifting weightsyou know and if you can't lift weights like find something else that is hard soagain it's not butts and I'm not saying lifter trauma either okay like swimmingwith sharks is hard they don't go so much sharks that's badbutts in it so I guess what I'm saying is don't put yourself in a dangeroussituation where you'll have to live through a hardship and then overcome itokay that's not what I'm saying I am saying it has to be self-imposedhas to be habitual and there's value in that and and it could be simple rightcould be taking a cold shower on a weekend it's like I'm just gonnaweekend's I'm gonna take cold showers it could be waking up at 4:30 a.m. somerather good plan yeah I hate that plan but yeah but that's that's like butthat's there's a reason you do it you know and it was a sense of disciplineyou're on the path like this is this is what you do and that and it's differentfor everybody but just find it and maybe make it harder the next time you knowbut eventually in your case you would just be will never I guess what wouldthat look like wake up earlier oh sweet now you're just in the middle of thenight yeah it's weird I'm thinking about there'd be some times with team guys onoperations where it goes it goes past the normal everyday level of suck likeit starts to suck bad whatever it is whether it's a long long insert you knowpatrol in whether it's the heat whether it's the cold whatever that thing islike you will be I would say one out of every eight it's just standard kind ofoperations that you're going one out of every eight you're gonna have to go intointo that zone where you look around at the other guys and you're like yeahyou're like yep this everyone right here everybody in this boat in this zodiacthat is absolutely freezing right now mm-hmmthis sucks for everybody and you know what it's just like you up we're gonnakeep going and it's like glorious and then you look back on it later andyou're like that was amazing and it makes you better and it it reallythere's a spiritual awakening that occurs with suffering self-imposedsuffering no doubt and and also not self-imposed suffering I'm just sayingdon't go seek out the the what you know what would be better to refer to astragedy but I'm not saying seek out your tragedy but also and now kind of bejumping into the next chapter because sort of leads into it but then you'retelling yourself a story about the tragedy and there's still value in thatand again and this is backed up by research like I didhomework on this there is whether you call it post-traumatic growth or kind ofpositive in I forget the other terms but there's a there's a bunch of terms likea lot psychology terms that that that prove and demonstrate that people notonly become more resilient but but even stronger after really hard occurrencesso don't run from it as a society we need to embrace itya know no doubt in my mind and we'll let's jump valestra let the next chapterbut first let me close this one out because it's here's what you say in theraw humanistic sense without suffering there can be no internal resilience toadversity no proper preparedness for the future suffering controlled by you andfor the right cause can be a building block for both spiritual health andmental toughness in a Liberty based nation like the United States we arefree to fail and to suffer that fortitude is a welcomed and necessaryattribute rather than trying to erase suffering at every opportunity we wouldall be wise to value it and seek it out so go do something hard and so this nextchapter which you are just alluding to is called the stories we tell ourselvesyou say you could tell the story of my life as a succession of hard times andheavy burdens you could tell it as an array of kicks to the head interspersedwith failures my mom died my leg broke my I got blown out my active Commissiongot taken away my fellowship application got denied all these things arefactually accurate they happened I endured them that is where a lot ofpeople would leave it these are things that happened to them from forces beyondtheir control leaving it here leaving it there communicates a handful of ideasabout someone he's unfortunate he's unlucky he's beaten he's a victim thatis not where people should leave it stories about burdens borne on their ownomit the most important parts the responsibility ofindividual the reaction of the individual the growth and maturing ofthe individual the world does something to you because it will always dosomething to you but once it's done that share of the story is over that is whereyour share of the story begins that's the point where the story stops beingsomething done to you and starts being about you and you go into you know wetalked about your mom dying but you mentioned your leg getting blown there'sa lot of things that you - a lot of what do you call them hard times heavyburdens and failures that you talked about in the book that we haven't eventouched and again that's why people get the book so they can learn those lessonsand see what you went through there but also see this you know this is now we'regetting towards the end of the book where you're starting to tie this stufftogether and say hey listen you were in hard you were in bad situations how whatwhat are you going to do in the face of those bad situations more poignant Leewhat is the story that you tell yourself yeah and ensure throughout this book isa is a particular thread about victimhood ideology and how thatpertains to outraged culture I would I would argue that victimhood ideology isis a tenant of outraged culture it's not surprising that you feel really mad andoffended and angry and outraged if you also feel like you're oppressed if youalso feel like you're a victim and you embrace that victimhood this isn't allthat surprising either it's expected because going back to the heroarchetypes we've elevated victims why would just be small at pretend and makeup the story that he got attacked by two mega hat-wearing guys in Chicago at 2:00a.m. why would he make that up because we've elevated victims to heroes likethat's that's why why does Elizabeth Warren claim the lies that she's claimedabout being Native American or that she was fired for being pregnant these arelies they're well-documented lies you know what's interesting isjust thinking of the which is it Jessie I'm thinking about that guy's story ifyou were to go back 20 years and someone was gonna make up a story the story thatthey would make up would be I got attacked by two guys and I kicked theirass yes really crazy the way our but and that's exactly what I'm talking aboutit's like that's our hero archetypes have shifted so wildly that that themore likeable story is getting your ass kicked and then complaining about it asopposed to like no I just whupped their ass like that's exactly that's a that'sa perfect point to make and it in like you know that's why I start the bookwith who is your hero cuz it's such an important concept and in this case it'slike okay now that you know who your hero is well then you should you shouldidentify how you react to hardship not saying hardship doesn't exist victim youknow when I bash victimhood ideology I'm not saying there are no victims it ispossible that you truly are a victim by salutely but you know but one thatshould be defined like in just the word injustice needs to be defined better sothat we can overcome outrage culture and injustice doesn't mean things thataren't fair or things that you don't like unfortunately that's how the wordis used all too often and justice means someone needs someone else is trulyinfringing on your rights rights defined as life liberty and property okayinjustice can be defined as your due process being taken away some some trueunfairness or discrimination being implemented against you that can bedefined as injustice okay an outcome based on something other than your meritcan be defined as an injustice but but victimhood ideology really turns thesethat really strains these definitions and I think people understand know thisintuitively just watch the news and watch how people are reacting on socialmedia this is a really big problem it prevents us from telling the rightstories about injustice and then solving it and overcoming it it's we've beenencouraged to live in the story of victimhood when something bad happensand that may feel good again back to what you're saying before thissort of short the the short-term thinking it feels good in the short termright it feels like feels like it's somebody else's fault and there'sthere's a comfort in that it's like a warm blanket of self-pity that occurs inlike comforting but it's also it's it's you could almost say quite literallykilling you because it leads you down this path of despair that that ends innot a good place if you always feel this your things are out of your control andyou're disempowered and then if you literally cannot get better you'll notget better one of the questions that I get asked a lot when working withcompanies they'll say you know what's the biggest obstacle for having aculture of extreme ownership and it's really easy answer the answer is the egobecause when something goes wrong and you have to say hey this is my faultwell that hurts your ego and that's the biggest thing that people have toovercome now the other thing that that's interesting is and you address this hereso the other thing other question I'll get asked a lot when it comes to extremeownership and I've kind of already mentioned it you know is hey if my kidgets sick how do I take ownership of that if I get cancer how do I takeownership of that if the market falls apart and we lose all of our money Ihave to let people go how do I take ownership of the of the market how do Itake ownership of a natural disaster that occurred right so there's good Iget asked that question and the response is you take ownership of how you how yourespond to that occurring right when something bad happens and you you youyou go through the same thing here you say even if I was not totallyresponsible for what happened I was still responsible for what would happenmm-hmm and this is after you got after you got removed from the Navy anythingthey didn't kick you out of where they force you to retire right now theyforced you retire look death that's just happening to you like the big blue Navyis going you're done and you can't control it and sodo you take ownership of that you you take ownership by how you respond tothat and what you say here's you try and find your next mission right you cancontrol the next step there's another important point here that I that I layout which is the way you describe your history this is important as puttingyourself in the right psychological framework and we call those get tostatements like I have to wear an eye patch or I get to wear an eye patch youknow because it looks cool so that's niceall right get to wear the gold tried n tie because it looks cool but you can gomuch deeper than that like I you know in some of the to an extent this isself-deception right and and you know that consciously going going into itlike you know because I use another example like well I I have to pay mybills or get to pay my bills because it shows that I'm an adult and I'm livingresponsibly I have to pay taxes or I get to pay taxes that one's harder thatone's things live in California yeah guys all you do is pay taxes yes we doum doesn't pay tax and they're not even synchronizing the lights because if youget to pay taxes that means that you've made enough money yeah to pay taxes soI'm saying in in a different country by the way yeahI mean it's you know it fundamentally what you're doing there is finding thesilver lining because the finding the silver lining in a bad situation isfundamentally about telling yourself a different story about that situation andso it's it's not whistling past the graveyard you know it's it's it's it'snot it's not ignoring the actual hardshipit's just forcing yourself to have the fortitude to tell yourself the rightstory about it that that's that that's what the chapter is fundamentally aboutyeah um and it's one of those things you you you read through it you go yeah thisis the attitude that you would want a kid to have you know you close it outhere 20 years ago I received a letter in the mail from Rice University the lettermight as well have been addressed dear failure because it was indeed a letterinforming that my services were not required atthe prestigious school I failed to get in 20 years later I became the UScongressman who represents Rice University the path from that failure tomy present-day success was not an easy one many more obstacles and failureswould present themselves every day each against a small obstacle against eachsmall obstacle I had to tell the right story in order to stay on the paththrough self-fulfillment failure like suffering has intrinsic value and worthshould we choose to confront it properly otherwise the ultimate story of successwhatever that may be for you will never get told the other element here and I'mgoing to listen to that much detail but it's an answer I give when especiallykids ask how to deal with hardship and I'd like to point out that everyobstacle is an opportunity and that sounds kind of cliche but it but it'sreally not it's true I wouldn't be a congressman if I hadn't gotten my eyeblown out this is true I would have stayed in the teams never would haveleft I had no reason to leave it was night I fought very hard not so best jobever why would you leave yeah and if I hadn't have been there's so many thingslike it I talked about you know got denied this cool White House fellowshipif I had gotten that I wouldn't be a congressman you know so technicallythat's a failure but you know you also also it's not oh well what did you gofor that fellowship right after Harvard right after Harvard was right after theNavy for one year applied for that didn't get it you applied for the WhiteHouse fellowship right and you didn't get it didn't get it and then you'relike okay cool can't beat them join them well no so ran for Congress cuz now Icontrol the funding for the White House fellowship yeah yeah that's rightNaval Academy didn't well I guess it was actually you can't join them beat them Iguess yeah yeah I didn't join them sorry you didn't get in the Naval Academyeither no didn't get in the into the Naval Academy umrejected I'm not going to defund the NavalI mean but but but no I didn't get in and what if I had I don't know maybe Iwouldn't have even made it to buds you know you could argue you know it's justdifferent selection process like there's all these you want to hear a littlestory that I tell myself whenever I get some kind of like little injury even ifit's like a a more significant injury maybe it's something that's gonna maketake me out of off my training schedule for a month right hurt my knee hurt myshoulder or something I always tell myself that that was the greater powersway of getting me to not Train cuz the next day I was really gonna get hurtyeah the next day I was tough so I'm just like okay coolthat's God's Way of telling me I'm not supposed to train right now becauseotherwise I was gonna break my neck or something so we're just gonna that'sright that's the story I tell myself sometimes I think it's a I mean it's nota joke I think it's a real I believe in that kind of stuff honestly I Bible I dobelieve that um some things happen for a reason it's up to you to actually reactto it appropriately but I don't know I actually do believe in that and I thinkthat comes out in this in this chapter it's one extent all right next chapteryou went from the personal story now we're talking about the story of Americathis is this is chapter 10 the individual stories we tell ourselves notjust about our hardships but about who we are combined to create our Americanstory every one of us adds a small thread to the larger fabric of ourculture and as we change and evolve so do our cultural norms the American storyitself evolves this isn't a bad thing either it is natural and constantthroughout history but something is changing for the worse the Americanstory itself is being threatened our cultural fabric has often changed andevolved but it has never been irreparably torn the closest we evercame was a civil war I suggest you that the latest threat toour American story is outraged culture identity politics and victimhoodideology that it elevates the threat is born of smallbeginnings as big threats so often are it starts with toxic personal narrativeswrapped in cheap cloth of victimhood always looking to X to an externalculprit to blame for real or perceived injusticeso this is the direction you fear that we are heading right now I think we'rethere so pessimistic well it's just well I'll tell you one things I knew youtalked to I was going to say I was just like when I was I was on with BenShapiro and I just went up and talked to Candice Owens and you know they live atGround Zero for interacting with crazy people I mean and you're I'm thereyou're not think it becomes all you see as you get a little bit more pessimisticexactly and and you know I'm really lucky because you know I work with abunch of different umpah knees all over the country and work with everydifferent type of company and work with all levels inside of a company so I'mnot just out there only talking to the CEOs and the see sweet I'm also outthere talking to frontline troops communicating with them talking aboutwhat problems they have so we really get to see and everyone at national in frontwe really get to see the pulse of not only of America over a large span butand a bunch of different socio-economic levels and in a bunch of differentindustries whereas I mean Candice and and Ben like they go to they go to speakat colleges that's kind of what they do you know and well you're not gonna runinto the same type of people that I'm gonna run into that's working on aconstruction site or a manufacturing plant in Iowa no you're sure not and Ido the same thing I've been pleasantly surprised to be perfectly honest withyou even when I go to colleges and especially high schools I think thequestions are good there's disagreement it's been it's been good yeah actuallynow that you mention it call just sometimes too and you and you mentionedyou know you were talking about the kind of crowd that comes in to CMU thecrowd that comes in to see Candace Owens or Ben Shapiro sure there's people thatwant to see them that have like a conservative viewpoint but they probablyattract at least as many if not more lunatics to do and it's I have seen ithappen less over time also because you know they've been in Candace and CharleyKirk day that is kind of what they're looking for because they want the debateto happen on camera I personally I enjoy it too like I wantI want people on the left to come and debate memm-hm and I'm gonna you know that's what I want that's it's one of the reasonsI'm doing it if it's just a bunch of people they're agreeing with me that I'mnot I'm not making a lot of progress it's really just a rally at that pointand there's value in that too but but we are going there for the confrontation Ijust want it to be respectful and fact-based and and and it's not alwaysthat way I've had some interesting experiences where it's just it justdevolves into an emotional ramblings but I felt so had some really interestingpublic debates and like that's kind of unusual for a politician to do seethat's the candice owens and ben shapiro model it's unusual for a politician todo because we can get in so much more trouble doing it because it's dangerousyes it's it's you don't know how that's gonna go people setting up ambushes onyou yeah gotcha moment right right and so just be prepared for it andyou'll be fine know what you're talking about you know it's it's and so I do itand it's um but uh I enjoy it quite a bit so that you know but okay but backto the original question which is are we are we there as a culture and the answeris kind of like it's worse than it used to be how about that you know whetherwhether we're like we're in a disaster area right now with respect tovictimhood ideology and identity politics that's up that could be debatedforever and it kind of depends on what your standard is like whoa what does itlook like to be over the edge on that like I'm not sure I just know it's worseI just know it's gotten a lot worse and other and III referenced Jonathan Hydequite a bit in this book one of my favorite authors and his book thecoddling of the American mind is a great read if you're if you're really lookingto examine how this evolved on college campuses and they can really examine itdown to the year about 2013 which and then they examineall the reasons for this you know this sort of outraged culture and even thenthough they they they point out it's it's mostly at the coastal eliteinstitutions it happens a lot less on other college campuses where listen thereality is most college kids just want to get drunk and like get through theirnext class and you know that they're not super hyped up about politics the socialmedia the fact and those of us who live within the world of social media alsomakes us believe that like you need you that it's a lot worse than it really isand you have to remove yourself from that and so you won't see me usingexamples in this book of people on social media you'll see me usingexamples from leaders in our country and like big you know big media companieslike the New York Times you know really pushing these narratives so I'm notgetting my my evidence for this problem from random commentators even if I couldcount thousands of them because it's like what are thousands a tiny tinylittle itty bitty fraction in the United States what matters is the leaders andhow that's changed over time so that's why I come at this and I say you knowwhat there is a real problem here and we're there because our leaders aretalking like this like this is a bigger movement than just some idiots onTwitter it's bigger than that and so that you know that's so that's why Ithink it's such a because it gives if I couldn't find those examples then then Iwould argue that yeah maybe I'm over blowing it but the victimhood ideologyis a it's here and I could you know from what you just read the argument I'mmaking there unless you were gonna go on to something elsego ahead see the argument I'm making there is that there's a series of stepsthat have led to this moment where we're telling a different story about ofAmerica and I give an analysis of analysis of how its victimhood ideologythat's created there's a lot of elements but victimhood ideology is a big oneit's because it firsts are small as I note there it's of small beginningswhere you're blaming somebody else like maybe it's your platoon commander whojust didn't see the value in you way they should have mm-hmm which by theway if you talk to modern military commanders is a problem with you know ayounger generation like they're seeing these differences in how it is to managetroops it's it's just it's different it's hard it's hard it's not the samelike I came into the SEAL Teams thinking okay like I have to I feel like I haveto earn my way here newer newer maybe team guys maybe not team guys butdefinitely the military newer troops are thinking like they're owed more than ortheir the organization itself has a duty to them but not the other way aroundlike a duty to give them more responsibility and and leadership orwhatever and but but they haven't quite burned it yet like more status withoutearning it yet this is something we've this is something when I talk to leadersI don't I'm curious what your perception is on this because you talked to so manycorporate leaders and how it is to to manage the different generations notonly corporations but also still talking to military troops and there's alwayspeople well this is a question that I get asked all the time and it's you knowwhat's wrong with my team mm-hmm and you could probably guess how I answer thatthis is a leadership problem and well one of the things I'd fall back to allthe time so I don't know that I can think of amore difficult workforce to deal with then being then dealing with draftees inVietnam in the Vietnam War people that did not believe in the cause did notwant to do the job and in doing the job their life and limb was at risk youcannot think of a more difficult work force to try and deal with so I've readmany many many many many books about Vietnam I've interviewed many Vietnamveterans leaders and and troops and here's the deal good leaders goodleaders and my first example is colonel david hackworth who's like my mypersonal mentor you I never met him but I read his book manytimes and all this books many times but when he talks about the draftees and hewas he was in Korea and he was in Vietnam he's a battalion commander inVietnam he was one of the most decorated guys ever and when he would talk and hewas a complete lifer this guy worshipped the army it was the oh he was in themilitary since 15 years old it was all he ever knew and when he would talkabout his draftees and when he talks about him in his book about face heloved his draftees and he loved his draftees because guess what they wouldcall it they would call bullshit when they didn't think he was making a goodcall they would give him pressure against what he was saying to do if itdidn't make sense they would test him they would push back and as a leader hethought that's exactly what I want that's exactly what I want is I don'twant people I don't want a bunch of robots I had one of his companycommanders on the podcast who retired as a general Mucca Mucca Yama generalookayama fantastic guy and I asked him I said he was a company commander inVietnam and I said what because I this is this question I hear all the time Isaid you know sir what did you think of your of your draftees in Vietnam and hesaid I I really couldn't tell who was a draftee and who wasn't and so then youread other books and what it boils down to is and most of the books the otherbooks that I read are like interviews with people and if you have leaders thatare not good leaders guess what they do they complain about the draftees abouthow they they push back they didn't follow orders people like William Calleyin charge of the meal I mascar what did he think he hated draftees because he'sa shitty leader and so when you talk to me about a millennial that thecharacteristics of a millennial hey they they they think they deserve stuff theywant to know why they're doing what they're doing they wanted to haveownership of stuff they think they deserve to be in charge of stuff and I'mlike bring me that new guy I'll take that new guy any day of the week andI'll take that new guy and be like okay you want you want to run something youwon't know it you wonder why you're what you're doing absolutely you deservethat that's decentralized command you need to know why you're doing whatyou're doing perfect you want to take ownership and stuff absolutelyyou you think you should be in a higher elevated position goodlet's get you there so we can always complain about the junior generation thefreaking kids and the teams right now are way better than I was when I checkedin as a new guy are you kidding me they're way better they're toughbastards - it's not like they're just more technically you know some peoplesay well you know the new generation is more tech-savvy it's like yeah they areand they're tough as hell so when we start talking about what the problemswith is with our troops what a good leader does it says okay there's these Ineed to treat this guy with I need I need to make some maneuvers here to getthis person on board with the program because it's not like some young armyguys like I don't want to do a good job it's not like some person at a techcompany some person that just graduated from college and went to a techcompanies like you know what I don't want to do well here like no they wantto do well now they might have some high visions of themselves cool whose job isit to put those visions into check whose job is explained to them listen man I'mglad you want to step up and run everything that's awesomelet me ask you this do you even understand how this you know how theeconomy of our business is working right now if you explain this here look atthis look at this spreadsheet and explain what this means I have no ideaokay cool let's get you educated on this let's get you to learn this cuz you knowwhat I do want you to elevate I want you to take over this company that's finebut you've got to learn this stuff I think so as a leader we got a we got tolook at people and this is again this happens all the time and it happenswithin wonpil tune you know I guarantee you had guys in your platoon that foughtthey knew everything and you had some guys that were like happy to be here andthey're just humble you get you get all these guys you get all these guys and isthere some little difference in the generations sure there's alwaysdifference in the generations no freaking generation was as hard as mineright we always hear that you know the guys when I got to the teams it was likethe guys from the 70s were like oh the guyin the 80s a week and then the guys in the ad said the guys from the 90s a weeklike let's just keep going how do we reflect things as a leader makeadjustments when if my team is not performing well I'm a hundred percentresponsible for it if my team has a bad attitude I'm a hundred percent responsebefore it and I'm gonna get it fixed that's what I'm gonna do I'm responsibleto do that yeah and that's it that's a very nuanced look at this I'malways asking this question because I'm a millennial you know it's silly andit's hard to generalize a generation you just can't but but you have to -there are stereotypes exist for a reason so it's it's it's good for analysis totry and figure that out and and I don't know I don't know where I fall on itbecause I see the I see I do see some bad aspects it's an you know wantingmore responsibility was maybe the wrong thing to to hit on as a negativeattribute that's obviously a good thing but it also but sometimes it'saccompanied by a not so humble belief that that somebody is victimizing themand preventing them from moving up because of some kind of oppression andthat's and if I get someone like that on my team who's responsible for fixingthat attitude I I can promise you right now we'll play the question game all daylong and I do this I do this with every level of leadership I have people comingyou know my team's all jacked up okay coolwho's in charge of your team well yeah that's right you are or someone say myfrontline troops aren't doing 100 who's in charge your frontfrontline troops it's bill okay who's in charge of Bill Mike who's in charge ofMike me that's right you you're responsible for what's going on downthere and if there's attitudes that you don't like man you're responsible for itnow you are absolutely responsible for it and if you're a good leader you canget those attitudes to shift in the right direction and generally by doingexactly what we're talking about when and you and I were having a conversationearlier it's like if they understand why these decisions are being made or whythey actually need to learn some of these frontline jobs before they canmove up the chain of command if they understand that they have a pathfor mobility - to increase their pay and increase their responsibilities insideof an organization okay okay cool thank you for telling me that and now I'mgonna go get after it as opposed to millennial suck yeah and I kick and Ican't I can't deal with no it's like okay cool yeah okay I mean I guess it'sI guess that's why I wrote the book right because because I do see thesethings as problems and I don't see them in my team my team is great and they'reMillennials or younger so obviously something is working there maybe that'sbecause I hired the right people with the right temperament who's in charge ofdoing that well me exactly exactly so when you when you meet someone that saysoh I got these horrible people on my team Ohhave you tried to fix them yeah but I can't fix them well a whose fault isthat B who actually hired these people in the first place if you if you can sitdown with someone and you interview them or you hire them and then they'rehorrible and they have a horrible attitude and they don't want to be apart of the team great you're not gonna be a part of my team yeah you're notgonna be a part of my team if that's if that's what you bring to the table andso and so this book I think is like what I'm trying to do is look at a broadercultural problem because it is it it is and and then try to give lessons to fixit you know because for all the reasons you just stated it's like it's it's wehave to take ownership of our culture as well it's not just 200 our team that wecan you know you should of course and that you can control a lot when you'releading a team but we've got to come together as a culture and be betterbecause as I as a part you read as an individual you're an individual threadand the larger fabric of society and our culture is being transformed and not ina good way and I hope the problem isn't as bad as I kind of make it out to bebut um you know what worst case scenario I'm wrong and and things are going in agreat deal I wouldn't say worst case scenarioyou're wrong I mean clearly there are indicators ofwhat you're talking about and as you said you're not talking about people onTwitter you're talking about mainstream yeahorganizations that that proceed in this direction in the analysis because I wenton off on a tangent talking about Millennials and the management issueswith them so the analysis I go into is it goes something like this you believein a victimhood ideology believe that somebody else is to blamemaybe beats your team maybe it's our boss maybe it's your parent maybe it'syour teacher whatever it is somebody else's fault okay you're in that you'reliving that story about yourself individually that is expanded it'sexpanded to groups it's expanded to this sort of group on group identity politicsnot my fate is tied to an immutable characteristic that is tied to a groupmaybe it's race maybe it's gender maybe it's socio-economic in nature and by byconsequence there is another group oppressing my group okay so it's groupon group politics this is identity politics to the courts it's it's thepromise of more power from one group to another okay you're telling somebodythey're a victim and you're telling them that you're the champion of them againstthe oppressors so that's the next thing but then it evolved even more than thatit evolves into these kind of institutional conflicts and so it's notjust a group that's oppressing you that group is tied to a broader institutionmaybe that institution is the church maybe that institution is is some kindof you know cultural institution maybe it's a merit merits and maybe it's ameritocracy that to me that's an institution this notion that we competebased off of merit and that your reward is tied to how well you perform or yourtalent right the meritocracy is an important institutional construct in ourculture okay there's other institutions too like theSupreme Court when we're talking about packing the Supreme Court you're talkingabout tearing down an institution those government institutions there's culturalinstitutions there's social institutions you know the the word institution ismalleable in that sense and it should describe a kind of a cultural frameworkthat we operate and I think those come under attack you know because it's it'sthe institution's fault I talk about um Thomas Sol he's an economist and HooverInstitute and Stan amazing amazing thinker and author hetalks about how the French Revolution was they that the led by Rousseau whowas free it was it was based on this idea that the natural state of thingsinvolves no suffering but that it is institutions that caused suffering wellthat's a really interesting concept it's like this belief that that life isactually it is not it is not natural in life to to be oppressed or to be to gothrough suffering it is not natural what is natural it isand it is the unnatural institutions man-made institutions that created yoursuffering therefore we must revolutionize thoseinstitutions tear them down and build our utopia this was how the FrenchRevolution happened this is how 17,000 people were dead in the next few yearsfrom the from the terror that ensued it is the thinking that led to Marxism andthe horrors of the 20th century all right this is this isn't all thatcontroversial of a statement to make it's just kind of how it happened andthat that is how that is how the progressive left thinks as well that itis these these it comes from somewhere like progressivism has a history justlike conservatism has a history and it is it is a history based on this kind ofyour your feelings are correct if you feel something it must be right and andyou should and the injustice is against you are always man-made and they'realways come from an oppressor they're never a natural part of life thereforegovernment is there to fix those institutions and that's why you mustproceed with the revolution this is the thinking that occurs ok so that ends uponce you've torn down the institutions there's another ultimate oppressor andit's the american founding itself that's the story of America that keeps gettingtold and that worries me a great deal we didn't used to fight about that the leftand the right did not fight about the story of America the way we're fightingabout it now and it's become this question of whether America was havebeen founded on anything good at all that's a pro that's that's the storybeing spun and it stems from this individual victimhood identity politicsand again I'm not making this up I'm not because I'm looking at major leadersthat say these kind of things you know I quote badoI quote Ilhan Omar America was founded on genocide not not that Americacommitted genocide that would be an accurate statement you know but Americawas founded on it that implies a very different meaningsaying that white supremacy is a problem is a true statement saying we werefounded on it that's a different implication you're you're indicted theamerican founding itself so what does that lead to well it leads to popularitywith burning the American flag please the popularity with kneeling for thenational anthem it leads to popularity with with with with attacking the Pledgeof Allegiance as an institution in and of itself it leads to it leads to theNew York Times public is just okay on the 4th of July like it leads you know Iopen up in this chapter talking about the the New York Times going after theApollo 11 50th anniversary basically praising the USSR instead of America onthis day it's like why is that why is that the reaction because becausethere's this need to to tear down the institutions of America at its core whyis that well because you need to tear something down at its core if you wantto implement the revolutionary utopia that you envision so this is the mostpolitical chapter by far right this is where I really delve into thedifferences like the real deep differences between conservatism andprogressivism because I I nailed conservatives a little bit on this tooas far as the victimhood ideology goes like it's a different form of ideologyit's a different form of victimhood but it occurs and it's sort of in and itoccurs up to the up to the limits of tearing down institutions okconservatives have a very inherent distrust of government institutions likesometimes to a conspiratorial degree but we stop wasting the founding of Americaand then the solutions to this problem which is what I really and theafter with I make a very strong argument for against against progressivism as asolution to these problems mostly because progressivism at its heart is apromise to end your suffering and that is an inherently dishonest promise tomake for the reasons I just say again that's the the basis of the FrenchRevolution we can end your suffering because it's man-made it's not naturalthe natural state of things is for you to live in a wonderful utopia prancingaround in the trees or whatever the heck they were imagining it doesn't make anysense because it's not real and so to tell somebody that you will in theirsuffering to tell them that you can replace God with government because whatis what is what is religion fundamentally it's like the Jesus tookon the crucifixion and the the The Passion of the Christ is about himtaking on the suffering because there's a spiritual element to this and it andthat and that can't be that can't be replaced by a government ideology andfundamentally it's its basic level that's what progressivism attempts topromise people and I also tried to define what I mean by the progressivemovement very carefully in the book because I don't want there's a lot ofpeople who identify as progressive because you know they just got back froma gay wedding or they like to smoke some pot or they like tattoos or whatever orthey do yoga you know like like that's I I've defined that very carefully associal progressivism in the modern sense and like that's just not what we'retalking about here I'm talking about the deeper underlying politics and historyof the progressive movement and what it's fundamentally promising peopletalking about the role of government in your life and you know because again Iwant this to be readable to a lot of different people but this is the mostpolitical chapter by far you know one thing that speaking of the tattooed yogawhatever person I was a really rebellious kid right and I think at somepoint there's gonna have to be like a like a Republican with a mohawk and facetattoos that's gonna come out and say like hey Ihave face tattoos I like whatever genre of underground subculture music I don'twant to conform to anything and the best way to live that life is to actuallysupport conservative values because conservative values support individualfreedom and that's what I believe in yeah and I think that's what's gonna getsome of these cuz let's face it an 18 year old kid wants to berebellious why because they trying to get out of the house they're trying toshow their dad but they don't need them anymore trying to show their mom theydon't need them anymore so I'm leading a mohawk and we're gonna tattoo on my neckand I'm gonna move forward into the world and and other kids look aroundokay that's how we're rebelling but at some point you go actually it just blowsmy mind that people say you know you go up to anyone and say um you know do youwant the government to be in charge of anything you go up to someone with amohawk and if yeah or whatever and they're like no way man no way man andthen you go cool why would you vote for the government to be in more charge ofmore of our lives I just don't think that connection gets made often enoughno it doesn't and I deal with this often and since I talked to most not mostlybut um I'm a politician who there's a lot more youth engagement than mostpoliticians do and so I address this directly like howdo you as a conservative young person how do you make the case forconservatism to your your fellow young people who kind of live by this kind oflibertarian and what you described as sort of a libertarian an extrarebellious libertarian these people who kind of live by this notion of you knowsocial progressivism and freedom but but fundamentally they believe in a kind ofRepublican form of government that is out of your life and you know fiscallyresponsible you know they they live by this mantra well I'm socially liberalbut fiscally conservative right that's what people say and then they voteDemocrat 100% like almost 100% of the time so it's it's a mantrathat makes them feel good but it doesn't mean anything to them and I mean delvinginto this is like my life's work at this point yeah I feel something so I'm soglad I don't have to talk about the stuff okay I'll do it once a year withyou but it's a super interesting thing and you're like like why why is yourentire vote your entire vote on a political party based on the abortionissue I mean it doesn't make sense it's not it's not a rational decision I'msorry it's just not especially because that issue will not affect you you knowbecause you because people will say this and they've got like three kids andthey're like well and they would never get an abortion themselves it's likethis doesn't affect you at all you know you can make a pretty good argument thisshould be decided at the state level and yet you are voting 100% because of thisissue at the federal level this is not a rational decision and or gay marriageit's like that's definitely not a rational decision considering it's noteven argued about anymore like that's the Supreme Court's donewith that one so it doesn't you know it's it's really surprising to see howpeople think about these things and and so I guess bring it back to the book mypoint is I'm trying to distinguish there I'm trying to distinguish this into arole of like what our intuitive conversation about what government isactually for and how that manifests into victimhood ideology how that manifestsinto the story about America because again I can make it it's a very shortpath from victim and ideology and in America as an oppressor to hatred ofAmerica itself and I only I only quote the big ones I only quote you knowTaylor Swift because she's a cultural icon you know and she's out there sayingif you're not a cisgender white male your rights are being stripped awaythat's a Taylor Swift quote that's an amazing thing to say from one of themost successful prosperous people in the world why would she believe that what ishappening that she believes this thing that is so fundamentally not true thatis so easy to to debunk why would she believe this why did a OC believe thatshe's the next one I quote which is like what did she say my generation has neverknown American prosperity how does that make any sense I mean itonly makes sense in this context where if God are you really insane yeah itonly makes sense when you understand that the goal is to elevate victimhoodand then they use that and then they use that to tear down the story of Americaitself and it's a it's it's such a dangerous path that we're on that wewant to revolutionize the foundations of our prosperity to such an extent andagain the only way to justify the only way to make people believe that theireyes are lying to them that all the good things around them are just lies theonly way to make them believe that is to constantly is to constantly hammer themwith this crisis narrative with this false narrative that people are tryingto oppress them or there's other people being oppressed and you've never metthem but guess what it's happening and if you don't and if you don't raise yourfist against the injustice then you're part of the problem you and your whiteprivilege it's this is happening in such an extreme level you know and it's andagain the good news is is like people listening like well I haven't seen itand look good that's good but it is happeningya know I mean you gotta be aware like you said there's evidence big evidencefrom from real players out there that that preached this and and live thissort of life it's kind of interesting man because we on this podcastvery seldom talk about politics at all and yet people kind of know where Istand and they kind of you know just it's all good well like you said it isreal things that is going on um it is a problem and that's the one thing that Iwould say is very nice about your book is that it is a first of all it explainsit and it gives some pretty good answers on how to move forward and one of thethings you do is you you close out with with an American ethos ya set you setforth an American ethos in the book or what I think you called a draft or yousay perhaps it goes something like this and you and you spell it out prettystraightforward nothing that really anybody wouldsensibly argue with right you know nothing that you could really sensiblyargue with and I'll let people get the book and and and read it but you knowthat the last line of it is you know I will live with fortitude you know nameof the book is fortitude that's sort of a last line of the American ethos thatyou you put forth and that's a simple statement right it's a simple statementbut it's something that you can actually carry with you in every part of yourlife and the way you tie fortitude into all these other aspects of how to dealwith other people how to react to things that is what the book is about and itreally sets forth a a great path for people to go down to get theirthemselves their family their country into a more stable and productive andbetter place so I've read a tiny fraction of the book todaywhoever you what you should do is order this book right now now here's somethingthat you haven't ran into yet Dan your publisher your publisher is first of allthey're under estimating you they're under estimating the people that want tohear this message so they're only going to print X amount of books mm-hmmthey're looking at pre-sales they're like okay we're gonna print X amount ofbooks because it's an investment it's a risk for them and then what happens isthe book comes out people start to read it it catches on fire and then all of asudden they're four weeks out from printing more books so what people needto do right now is pre-order the book or your book which makes the publisher thenprint more also I should note all pre-orders are getting a signed bookplate oh all of them ouch yeah my hand hurts yeahthat's not fun ah so order the book right now we'll have it on our websiteso you guys can click through and order it well I need to clarify that you haveto go to Dan Crenshaw book.com slash pre-order to upload your receipt so thatwe know you pre-ordered it and can should get you the bookplate you knowwhat we if you do that you get the book playing I've been I've been putting outthat website pretty conical I'm gonna take this as a personal challenge to seeif I can break you get so many freakin pre-orders that you have to sign bookplates for like this this I mean do something hard youknow sign 1 million book plays yeah do something art that is nasty you actuallyhave a podcast now your own podcast which is called hold these truths yeahtell us about that podcast a little bit so I'm always looking for ways tocommunicate it's my job I've got to communicate the truth and the policiesthat I believe are right and the things we're voting on in Washington so I dothat a ton on social media everybody knows that and there's there's you knowthere's a different method of communicating for every platform and onething that you can't do on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter is have reallylengthy conversations and deep dives into policy issues so I do that on thepodcast and you know it started because I'm like you know I get these 5-minuteconversations during hearings when I have a really interesting witness comeand talk about something and maybe I'll meet with that person later too and it'sa really interesting conversation and I ask some you know questions that I needanswered whatever why don't we record that whydon't we dive into these things and so what you'll find from that podcast is awhole variety of issues you know one day it'll be at about Iran or China anotherday it'll be about student loans I've interviewed the previous head of theACLU we'll talk about free speech we'll talk about you know this discriminationlaw makes sense in these in these conditions like there's there's somereally fascinating deep dives we'll talk about 5g will talk about Bitcoin I meanthere's a whole variety of things Medicare for all the environment thegreen New Deal like all of this stuff and talking to actual experts on thesubjects as I say that's your job gives you access to people that actually knowwhat they're talking about yeah yeah they'll come and talk to me and are youbringing on people that you don't agree with well I've gotten into debates withsome for sure especially a head of the ACLU we haven't we probably could domore of that it just started so I'm trying to build up ableib rarey right now of just deep dives into certain policies or I'm kind ofjust asking the questions as a because you know the way we went at this podcasthe was like I don't have time to prepare for it and I'm too busy to take the timeto really prepare a podcast the way you are preparing your podcast each timeit's it's not it's not feasible for me well it's more feasible is that I'm justa genuinely curious person talking to another person who knows a lot of thingsthat I can take an hour out and do and um I think it ends up being pretty goodyeah and so you know yeah we haven't we haven't we haven't had a full-on likedebate on on a podcast yet and haven't figured out how I would even structurethat if we were to because I debate I debate in my public life so often it'slike you know yeah I don't know he's that or need to put it on the podcasteither but it bit but a lot of people would like to watch it though yeah Imean I think it would be nice because you could be in a situation wherethey're not look constrained by time if you've got somebody else that was saneyeah that had a different viewpoint on this out of the other thing where youcould actually discuss and maybe make some mutual forward progress betweenright know coming to better ideas or more mutually agreed upon ideas thatmight be nice you are on Instagram at Dan Crenshaw TX which is for Texas echoin case you didn't know that Facebook Dan Crenshaw at Dan Crenshaw and youalso have your website which is crunched off for Congress is that where the bookis as well or no no no is the book the book is game Crenshaw book calm got ityeah like your branding it's just like mine my name that's exactly now um did Imiss anything as far as like all this all this stuff as far as getting intouch with you and all that um no I mean it's easy to find me on social media youhave to keep in mind here's some annoyances about how my social mediaworks on Instagram I have one account okay it's my personal account it's uhit's not really official it's not really campaign but the way the rules work youhave to generally differentiate between official and campaign which is whythere's two Facebook accounts which is why there's two Twitterand you have to follow all of them to get all the information Instagram ifyou're an Instagram user it's a little easier for you I just cuz I I controlthat's my personal account and that's that's why you just have to search forme a couple times and then follow both that's the only thing I would add got itnow Dan I know you're doing a lot for America which is definitely appreciatedbut I want you to know that we're doing our part over here as well in theprivate sector we're working hard to make people better yes to make theeconomy better and rebuild the foundation of America or at least onefoundation of America that is self-reliance and our ability to createand build the best products in the world 100 percent american-made did I say ahundred percent american-made yes yeah 100 percent american-made in three yearsit's three years we've gone from eight employees to 80 we are just gettingwarmed up little company up in Maine is my home state my home region I shouldsay I'm a New Englander yeah because I got time in Connecticut and Maine but Ican I claim it a little bit my home a record is made yes you can clean upthere we got a little factory we got something called origin Maine tell usabout it echo Charles oh well oh by the way we are getting softer by the way asgenerally speaking as a group we are all getting softer that's why generationafter generation they say oh my generation was harder than this newgeneration that's why they always say it you're saying it factually it'sfactually then this is why generally speaking as individuals there'svariations and individuals for sure and even little micro groups for surevariation but this is why technology the whole reason for technology is to solveour problems mister make things easier make everything easier exactly right andand I'd say I like to look not like to but I look at it as to solve ourproblems which is making things easier for sure so even like the caveman rightwhen they invented the wheel all these softies they got the wheel now yeah I'msaying because before uh that generated like our generation we had to carrystuff I mean there gently harder I think objectivelyspeaking and that's not a bad thing that we've made things easier but right butyou have to art is just kind of the whole point of the chapter do somethinghard you've got us it you have to make up for that yeah you're artificiallyyeah hardening your own life oh yeah and that's why this is like your book isgood that's why what you say is good is because right we can't this is a wave awave of just easiness coming on us there's no stopping it but individuallywe can kind of like fight against not necessarily the wave but the results ofthe wave yeah I'm saying you can do something hard yeah so what you getthough what you will get inevitably is everyone with all their problems solvedand we're always looking for these little issues yeah because that's howright that's nature so now it's like hey that's some injustice right there yeahit's a lot it's a lot harder to complain about the injustice of your Wi-Fi inyour neighborhood not being as strong as if you don't got food on your plate andthink about like your kids know right where it's like oh yeah they got to wearhelmets now assume saying hey you guys got to wear seatbelts now so I get intolike a 1965 something yeah right you're gonna die in that thing it seems likethey seem saying but that was just how back there yeah now getting your 2020whatever Tesla and buy you can fall asleep behind the wheel you're safe theygot you no problem exactly right all your problems solved so that's how youknow it's like a you know the all these groups of people might not like verysmall groups of people but they're super loud because they can be now that's justhow like back in the day because they're not out hunting down elkyeah the bow and arrow yeah and not to mention the technology allows all thisyou know so yeah and they're loud or whatever but you make a good point whereit's like yeah if you go out and look for all these issues it's like it's hardto find them but your how you say like Ben Shapiro and Dan there and GroundZero did you come man Canada's otter get us better at groundyeah so it's gonna seem pretty bad nonetheless yesso yes keep up the good fight against the waita will doing hard things what hard things you got for us echo trans whatcan we do jiu-jitsu hard daily heart hardships allday daily hardships you know working out Fitness jiu-jitsu and I was gonna sayfashion but that's more your oh that's hard for you anyway so what'd you get -what are we doing he didn't give we didn't know ki noogie yeah if you getAggie get in or Jinky for all the reasons you mentioned though yeah we'llget you up to the factory up in Maine dan you gotta go check it out it's umit's awesome it's awesome we literally brought the last bought thelast loom in Lewiston Maine from a five hundred thousand square foot abandonedfactory that hadn't been used in 20 years and all the other hundreds andhundreds of looms from that factory sent overseas we're bringing it back we hadone loom now I think we got four looms we're bringing it back an awesome andyou know the folks up there these are folks that their industry was taken awayfrom them their industry was sold overseas and now they're back craftsmencrafts women sewing making boots making jeans all in America from and every likeevery single part of those jeans is American yeah it this is such animportant I'm gonna bring it to a little bit of politics and how I view this andthe need to to embrace some sense of American economic nationalism whichwe've lost over time and the the rise of Trump when people ask about how theRepublican Party has changed under Trump what they're it's usually a disingenuousquestion what they want you to say is that Republicans are racist right that'sreally what they're insinuating when they ask that question or that they'remore racist now it's not true that but there is some change and this this drivetowards to to a conversation about economic nationalism is actually part ofthat change and it's been interesting to watch and I think it's a necessarychange because what Trump got was a lot of Democrat voters who may be votedDemocrat their whole life but they're part of a union culturally speaking theyidentify a hell of a lot more with me than they doAOC okay so they started voting based on that but also Trump finally talked aboutsome things they were concerned about which was like Chinaokay China taking advantage of us NAFTA taking advantage of us and the realityis that's it that's a nuanced conversation it's not it's not it'sdifferent for every factory to be honest sometimes it's the business itself thatsucked sometimes it is Chinese dumping thatoccurred all right sometimes it's just it's a mix of things but Republicans fortoo long adhere to a highly stringent free marketeconomy dogmatic approach which said if another country can make it cheaper theyshould make it all right that's just that's economics 101 we're done no morethinking about it well that's it's not that simple likethere's winners and losers here just because like tomatoes are now five centscheaper for everybody doesn't mean that we're all better off you know we've offarmers that no longer make tomatoes also we don't make tomatoes and now bythe way again let's bring it back to some coronavirus we've got a realconversation in this country to have about medical device manufacturing andsupply lines of our medical industry and computer industry and everything elselike there is benefit even if it costs us more there is benefit to having thathere in America it's real benefit not just the job the manufacturing jobs arecertainly some of those benefits but there's a national security reason aswell and it's about time we have a more honest conversation about that asRepublicans Democrats will just be against Trump no matter what so likethat because they don't rip them they're not really principled in this thatthey're mostly about seeking power for the sake of the revolution again I couldgo way back into that again but and and so you know I we just I think that's aninteresting point this is where I want to end that and so I love what you guysare doing I guess is what I'm really trying to sayyeah well it's and you know we got this right now again you're talkingcoronavirus we got 100% American supply chain so zero impact is zero impact it'sit's just it's it's awesome and yeah you're talkingabout the the Chinese are making a bunch of the what 95% the pharmaceuticals orsomething crazy there's crazy number like that yeah that's not okay that'snot okay and yeah if you save five cents on something that's not okay when whensomething happens even if it was even if it was just a natural disaster that thatcaused problems over there you know no political anything that's a real problemand to have single source for life life-saving capabilities that's a badplan and hopefully we look back at this coronavirus and we say hey I'm glad wegot a heads up I'm glad we got a free lessons relatively cheap lessons learnedyeah about this so anyways up in Maine doing it we're doing it we're doing itright now we've been doing it and we're gonna continue to grow we're gonnacontinue to get out the best products we're making supplements tosupplementation as as echo Charles likes to call it sure from time to time so forsupplementation what joint supplements very important by the way yeahjoints I should probably take some of this yeah bro what do you do like ifyour joints don't work yeah not much and just get new ones yeah yep there is thattechnology by the way yeah also Molk Molk technically is supplementationtechnically what is that more it's more of a dessert it's a dessert that happensto have a bunch of protein in it and probiotics and it has no sugar that'ssuper healthy and it tastes delicious technology I'm skeptical of thedelicious part that oh that's great that's what's crazy that's what's crazythat's what has got so many people officially on the milk train I change somuch to say I will send you what's your flavor of these flavors chocolatevanilla mint chocolate chip which is my personal favorite Reese's Peanut ButterCup and I know I can't call it that but that's what it tastes like butterchocolate peanut butter chocolate a big fan of the peanut butter chocolate andthen here's the one that's kind of the creeper or the the what's it called thecrea no the super the sleeper is strawberry hmm so did you ever havestrawberry Quik when you were kid yeah did you write it yes okayI'm not kidding I'm not kidding strawberry milk tastesbetter than strawberry Quik no like a competitive illiquid weight we can weaveback because it's my preference for flavor does depend on the substance it'slike a milkshake milkshake milkshake a milkshake order chocolate milk or a or aNestle's Quik okay well what you can make pink is you can put more can prettymuch anything okay okay so based on the fact that it's more like a milkshakethen I would yeah then I would I would say not the peanut butter I do likepeanut butter milkshake but that's more of an ice cream that I'm favored okayso can we have milk ice cream is that a thing we have things in in process forthe milk ice cream and we did did you have some at camp yes sir okayso yeah we we have multi scream we need to move forward on our logistics that'sa heavy logistics you know you're talking about shipping frozen fruits etcso we're moving in that direction that we're not there yet we're working on itgotcha it's a we have Mars coming we didtotally ridiculous yeah totally ridiculous you don't change your stuffso strawberry then yeah yeah the whole the whole line so you'll just be you'llbecome sometimes you can be the mood for mints you know strawberry I've got asweet tooth oh yeah I smoke bars you gonna it's funny cuz you know how kidsare the kind of a litmus test you know like if you give the kid like let's sayback in the day right you got your diet shake and then it's like it's yeah Ithink it out you say you should give it to the kid because like brown like thislike you know I I dig it or whatever they don't just don't like so my and Ihave a video of this where my son three by the way which is a solid little testcreate a good experiment yeah yeah because he doesn't have moralsor nothing like that so he's just tell you the truth yeah that's what I meanlike he didn't care about your feelings or whatever so yeah I have a video ofhim chomping a milk bar and I'm like I didn't give him a milk bar and he's likeoh yeah he just called the chocolate bar whatever and I was like what heating andhe's like yeah it's frozen chocolate bar and here's the thing I put those in thefreezer to hide him and he went in there right now with motivation obviouslyinsane taste buds is the number one motorfactor in this case check anyway so that was to the test that's my wire though Idon't want to get too ahead of myself yeah yeahstick with the mock for now um alright so yes and by the way all those thingsthe supplementation the drinks everything is available at origin mancomalso at Vitamin Shoppe nationwide there you goalso we will be listing Dan's book for easy availability fortitude on ourwebsite chocolate podcast.com go ahead click on the book section on the topmenu we have a book section there that's my episode so this episode boom you'llsee you see Dan's book there anyway you can get it there also in the store it'scalled choco store so you go chocolate store calm similar to Dan's book or whatwas it called fortitudo calm down Crenshaw book calmcalm yes in the simplicity same choco store to store from choco choco storeright calm anyway this is where you can get what shirts hats hoodies manygarments representative of the path the path subscribe to the podcast if youhaven't already which if you haven't already you might want to just do a fullon sort of systems check of your whole life otherwise just just subscribe checkout dance podcast which is called hold these truths or you can just search forDan crunch on it pops up don't forget about the grounded podcast I mean wherewe talk about the most important things in life all kind of related to anotherthing in life called jiu-jitsu warrior kid podcasts we're gonna have one withDan crunch on it by the way so your kids can figure out how they want to bedirected down the path and don't forget about that warrior kid soap from Irishocean ranch dot-com black soap which is magically turns to cleanliness on yourbody yep counterintuitive for sure it'scalled yes Dan question I have black toothpaste debated charcoal activatedcircle and it helps us some sort of thing rightI know what it does yes but we know it's cool Dane's my towel we know that itlooks cool so but it feels cleaner 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hopefully we don't even reach the peaksthat they did mm-hmm yet to be seen plus we got socialdistancing slowing down the curve echo st. e : basically if you've been hangingaround echo echo thinks that he's sort of a national hero right now becausehe's not he's not shaking people's hands he's sort of taken on you know you'retalking about the arc typical hero I think we had echo Charles over therehe's sacrificing his own oh yeah hugs his own hugger or notkeeping it real look if Orlando doesn't go down we'llkeep you posted but then it's going to be Phoenix Arizona September 16th and17th Dallas Texas December 3rd and 4th and of course we have EF overwatch andEF Legion if you need personnel inside your business that understand theprinciples that we talk about all the time that we wrote about go to EFoverwash comm for executive leadership from the military go to EF Legion commfor frontline troops and leaders that's what we do and if you still want tointeract with us some more which is just 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you're fighting a different kind ofbattle and you know you and I talk offline I and I told you twice once onthe phone and once when you showed up here I'm really glad that you have yourjob and I have mine your job is not one that I would want and not fun but you'redoing it for the right reasons and I think everyone appreciates the fact thatyou're fighting a battle for the future of America so that said America remainsnow and forever the land of the free and the home of the brave and the same goesto the rest of our servicemen and women out there freedom is not free andsomeone has to hold the line and it is all of you soldiers sailors airmen andMarines out there who keep evil and darkness at bay and we thank you forthat and the same thing goes to our police and law enforcement andfirefighters and paramedics and EMTs and dispatchers and correctional officersand Border Patrol and Secret Service same thing freedom isn't free it takessacrifice and thanks to all of you for what you do every day to take care of usand keep our country free and everyone else out there life is a struggle it's achallenge it's suffering and you're not always gonna win but even when you don'twin as Dan says don't quit don't give up don't be a victim don't take the easypath don't squander this life instead live with fortitude by getting up everyday and getting after it and until next time this is Dan Crenshaw and Necco andJocko out

Jocko Podcast 222 with Dan Crenshaw: Life is a Challenge. Life is a Struggle, so Live With Fortitude

Join the conversation on Twitter/Instagram: @jockowillink @echocharles @dancrenshawtx 0:00:00 - Opening 0:06:57 - Dan Crenshaw.  Get the Book, "Fortitude": amzn.to/33O9lBI 3:28:32 - Final thoughts and take-aways. 3:40:46 - How to stay on THE PATH. JOCKO STORE Apparel: www.jockostore.com/collections/men Jocko Supplements: originmaine.com/origin-labs/ Origin Jeans and Clothes: originmaine.com/durable-goods/ Origin Gis: originmaine.com/bjj-mma-fit/ 3:55:59 - Closing Gratitude.
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< start="279.919" dur="4.991">Dave warson who would be killed two months later heroically laid down cover>

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< start="293.78" dur="5.139">medics onboard the helicopter took one look at me laid me down and eased me>

< start="298.919" dur="5.551">into unconsciousness I woke up days later far away from Helmand far away>

< start="304.47" dur="4.53">from Kandahar far away from my brothers and arms far away from the war and dust>

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< start="332.36" dur="9.3">saw nothing a physician came to me and told me the truth my right eye was gone>

< start="341.66" dur="5.47">my left eye was so heavily damaged that there was virtually no chance I would>

< start="347.13" dur="2.63">see with it again>

< start="350.24" dur="6.73">my future was a future of blindness of darkness of no sight no color no visual>

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< start="367.85" dur="8.789">in a fatal footfall all that was ripped away>

< start="382.69" dur="11.56">and that right there was an excerpt from a book called fortitude written by Dan>

< start="394.25" dur="7.14">Crenshaw who is a former SEAL officer and he's actually been on this podcast>

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< start="436.75" dur="8.05">fortitude Dan thanks for coming back man hey thank you for having me listen do>

< start="444.8" dur="3.6">you read that I was like maybe I should have asked you to read my book in the>

< start="448.4" dur="7.23">audio version that was good well thanks it's uh it's only good>

< start="455.63" dur="5.88">because the story that's being told is is obviously a very powerful one and you>

< start="461.51" dur="3.15">know you sent me this book and as soon as you sent it to me>

< start="464.66" dur="4.2">I started talking to you about let's get you back on the podcast obviously you're>

< start="468.86" dur="5.31">a busy man obviously you're busy man right now for reference it is what is it>

< start="474.17" dur="8.4">it's March of 2020 in the midst of the pandemic the corona virus pandemic is>

< start="482.57" dur="6.48">going on around the world and around America there's schools and again who>

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< start="499.67" dur="6.39">to be but you braved the travel we did we did and we just you know I'm leaving>

< start="506.06" dur="4.84">off the heels of that late night vote again for for listeners trying to put>

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< start="556.38" dur="5.28">Admiral red who have worked all of these pandemics and so I just hope people>

< start="561.66" dur="4.29">realize that that's not what you hear from the media you know the media would>

< start="565.95" dur="4.02">tell you that it's so totally unprepared and you know you're never going to be>

< start="569.97" dur="3.51">perfectly prepared I think that's a lesson you and I know pretty well yeah>

< start="573.48" dur="3.63">but you learn those lessons and you do better than next time>

< start="577.11" dur="3.84">the finger-pointing has been completely unnecessary>

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< start="591.089" dur="4.591">glad you were able to get out here and again I think there's no telling what>

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< start="601.709" dur="3.781">right now there's just not a lot of people doing a lot of stuff obviously>

< start="605.49" dur="4.44">we're we're in the gym and the gym you know not a lot not a ton of people>

< start="609.93" dur="2.7">coming into gym right now there's still people training though don't worry it>

< start="612.63" dur="6.24">worked we're training that jiu-jitsu but yeah you sent me the book and you know>

< start="618.87" dur="3.57">cracked it open started reading it and immediately was just you know getting in>

< start="622.44" dur="3.899">touch with you to see if we could get you out here on the podcast to talk>

< start="626.339" dur="5.641">about it and man you know the the stuff that you've been through and the lessons>

< start="631.98" dur="5.25">that you've taken away from it are very powerful and you know that's one of the>

< start="637.23" dur="5.01">things that struck me out of the gate is that when you got wounded you actually>

< start="642.24" dur="5.04">you actually drew strength from very powerful place and things that you've>

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< start="771.54" dur="2.69">powerful fortifying and selfless thing I have>

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< start="824.72" dur="5.28">state but if anyone had reason to feel sorry for herself and had to complain a>

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< start="840.71" dur="5.64">years I never heard her complain once I never heard her bolon her fate I never>

< start="846.35" dur="5.58">saw her express self-pity every day she woke up was a day she was still alive>

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< start="860.45" dur="5.73">day was a gift where she could look her boys in the face every next evening was>

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< start="869.63" dur="4.8">days when the hospital delivered her deathbed and hospice nurse to our dining>

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< start="884.57" dur="4.13">of what she had every right to be>

< start="895.68" dur="9.25">brutal yeah yeah that was more for my mom than for me you know I tell that>

< start="904.93" dur="7.159">story because well that the name of that chapter is perspective from darkness and>

< start="912.72" dur="7.419">perspective I think is something we lack in our modern-day society we are I think>

< start="920.139" dur="3.961">too many people are willing to jump to this false conclusion that you've had it>

< start="924.1" dur="6.63">the worse that your life is worse than your ancestors or than your peers or>

< start="930.73" dur="5.43">than anybody else walking around America right now and there's just a really just>

< start="936.16" dur="2.489">so happens there's a really good chance that's not true>

< start="938.649" dur="3.75">I'm not saying it's not true I'm just saying there's a pretty good chance>

< start="942.399" dur="4.23">that's probably not true it's interesting too I always talk about>

< start="946.629" dur="4.591">perspective from a leadership perspective which means hey if I'm>

< start="951.22" dur="4.619">looking at one of my troops the better I understand their perspective on what I'm>

< start="955.839" dur="3.211">telling them and what their job is and what the mission is the better I'm gonna>

< start="959.05" dur="3.599">be able to lead them and same thing with my boss the better I understand my>

< start="962.649" dur="3.271">boss's perspective and what the strategy looked like and what's the overall thing>

< start="965.92" dur="2.909">he's trying to get accomplished the better I understand his perspective the>

< start="968.829" dur="3.721">better I'm gonna be able to lead and it's interesting cuz when you put that>

< start="972.55" dur="7.979">across society you would think that in today's day and age with the a bit with>

< start="980.529" dur="5.43">social media with the ability to absorb as so many other people's perspectives>

< start="985.959" dur="4.68">you'd think that that would open up your mind yeah to realize that that there's>

< start="990.639" dur="5.67">you know a lot of other people that that have been through much worse than then>

< start="996.309" dur="3.87">anything I've even been close to gone through yeah and yet it doesn't seem to>

< start="1000.179" dur="4.5">be happening that way no and I mean one of the most popular stories for an>

< start="1004.679" dur="4.231">American to hear you know is is a story of overcoming adversity and that's a>

< start="1008.91" dur="3.96">good thing I'm glad those are still the the stories that are the most popular in>

< start="1012.87" dur="3.659">the American psyche you know that a movie about somebody who's downtrodden>

< start="1016.529" dur="6.18">and overcomes it it's still a good movie but there there is it's undeniable that>

< start="1022.709" dur="4.951">there is this fragility is infecting America and that's that's>

< start="1027.66" dur="4.86">why I wrote this book and it's um you know it's not a political book it's not>

< start="1032.52" dur="4.83">a sealed book it's not a it's it's a cultural book it's it's a cultural>

< start="1037.35" dur="3.81">philosophy book and it's it's it's simultaneously an individual kind of>

< start="1041.16" dur="3.69">self-help book and just how to be mentally tougher in your own individual>

< start="1044.85" dur="5.58">life but there are much broader cultural implications that are strewn throughout>

< start="1050.43" dur="4.98">the book it is a it is a culture book and because I fear that we are getting>

< start="1055.41" dur="5.61">more sensitive more more prone to microaggressions and prone to saying how>

< start="1061.02" dur="5.48">offended you are and wearing wearing that offense on your sleeve proudly and>

< start="1066.5" dur="5.53">and and this gets to the I think what's the the next chapter which is who is>

< start="1072.03" dur="6.27">your hero and we've changed what we look up to like we think that it's good to to>

< start="1078.3" dur="5.22">scream about how offended we are that's becoming like a a moniker of a good>

< start="1083.52" dur="4.14">thing you know it's interesting as as you know before we started recording you>

< start="1087.66" dur="6.36">know we're just talking about kind of life in the games and and if there's one>

< start="1094.02" dur="5.67">thing that you never do in the teams and ever is show anyone that you're offended>

< start="1099.69" dur="3.78">by anything that you're saying to you because if you allow that to happen you>

< start="1103.47" dur="4.68">know you're gonna get torn apart whereas it seems like and I hadn't thought about>

< start="1108.15" dur="5.58">from that perspective the all the rage in the public right now is if you can>

< start="1113.73" dur="4.26">possibly get offended by something then it's you're you're the you're the best>

< start="1117.99" dur="3.27">thing in the world you know jump up and down and point to the person that>

< start="1121.26" dur="3.27">offended you and why you were offended and and the more offended you are the>

< start="1124.53" dur="5.67">better off the aggrieved victim status is supreme these days and that's a and>

< start="1130.2" dur="4.68">that's more of a serious problem than then I think most Americans are giving>

< start="1134.88" dur="4.89">it credit for like it's a really bad thing because you're changing you're>

< start="1139.77" dur="3.18">changing our heroes and and when I say heroes I want to want to be more>

< start="1142.95" dur="4.17">specific cousin and I outlined this in the book in greater detail I don't mean>

< start="1147.12" dur="4.56">like Jaco is my hero I don't actually and I person when people asked me about>

< start="1151.68" dur="5.61">who I look up to and my heroes I I will tell them attributes of people that I>

< start="1157.29" dur="2.49">think are respectable don't think you should have one person>

< start="1159.78" dur="3.09">that you look up to I don't think that's totally healthy and that's not what I'm>

< start="1162.87" dur="3.78">talking about in the book I'm talking about hero archetypes you know in an>

< start="1166.65" dur="7.26">archetype is a is a is a broader set of ideas or attributes that we sort of that>

< start="1173.91" dur="4.08">we sort of recognize collectively okay that's it's more of a psychological term>

< start="1177.99" dur="5.58">than anything else and there are certain hero archetypes you know like the Navy>

< start="1183.57" dur="4.17">SEALs have a hero archetype when we write about that in our in our SEAL>

< start="1187.74" dur="4.14">ethos it's such a beautifully written ethos and I and I have the entire thing>

< start="1191.88" dur="4.17">written in the book because it perfectly demonstrates what we believe we should>

< start="1196.05" dur="4.8">be now what we should do but what we should be and that's a really>

< start="1200.85" dur="5.61">interesting thing and I and I and I know that you look at a corporate ethos and>

< start="1206.46" dur="4.65">if you go to people like corporations websites and you read them there they're>

< start="1211.11" dur="3.33">usually something like we want to be the number one manufacturer on the west>

< start="1214.44" dur="3.66">coast it's like that's not who you want to be that's just something you want to>

< start="1218.1" dur="6.9">do if you if you write out an ethos of who you want to be you can you can reach>

< start="1225" dur="6.32">that level of elitism you can surpass mediocrity so that's important that's>

< start="1231.32" dur="4.36">important thing is here is that we have societal hero archetypes that we look up>

< start="1235.68" dur="5.76">to Jesus is a is a hero archetype Superman is a hero archetype real>

< start="1241.44" dur="4.68">characters too you know I put I could name a thousand you know Rosa Parks>

< start="1246.12" dur="4.29">Ronald Reagan these all of these people embody certain attributes that the>

< start="1250.41" dur="5.1">American people think this is good okay man we generally agree on these things I>

< start="1255.51" dur="3.75">tell the whole story in the book about about when I was at Disney World or was>

< start="1259.26" dur="4.53">it Disneyland it was Disney World and I was at the Star Wars land and I was>

< start="1263.79" dur="3.99">watching this really cool thing happened where they where they let these kids do>

< start="1267.78" dur="5.52">Jedi training and of course like in typical Disney fashion everything is>

< start="1273.3" dur="3.24">really well run the actors are absolutely amazing and they're teaching>

< start="1276.54" dur="3.66">these kids you know how to work their swords and all that but they're also>

< start="1280.2" dur="5.88">teaching them really cool things like just little Jedi lessons like like will>

< start="1286.08" dur="6.06">you let your emotions be driven by hate and anger you know like really simple>

< start="1292.14" dur="5.04">because we look up to the Jedi as like a hero archetype and so there are certain>

< start="1297.18" dur="5.28">things that are just viewed as good but that's changing and I and I find that to>

< start="1302.46" dur="6.69">be an extremely dangerous thing because we're the aggrieved victim the person>

< start="1309.15" dur="3.84">who talks about being offended the most and who screams the loudest were>

< start="1312.99" dur="4.91">elevating that person to a higher level in our society and that's dangerous>

< start="1317.9" dur="4.84">you're flipping cultural norms on their head and you do that at your own peril>

< start="1322.74" dur="4.68">you know and ends you know cultural foundations based in thousands of years>

< start="1327.42" dur="3.93">of trial and error and wisdom those are important they're more important than>

< start="1331.35" dur="5.1">people realize and like that's that's that's frankly what the first I guess>

< start="1336.45" dur="5.67">well that that particular chapter is about perspectives chapter you know>

< start="1342.12" dur="3.24">they're all related of course but the perspectives chaffed and the reason I>

< start="1345.36" dur="6.06">bring up my mom and the reason I tell that story and then subsequent stories>

< start="1351.42" dur="6.15">of of other guys that we've lost is because you you need to it's healthy to>

< start="1357.57" dur="3.12">go through life thinking you know what somebody has hard had it harder than me>

< start="1360.69" dur="4.05">and I'd like to live up to their memory I'd like to live up to that hero>

< start="1364.74" dur="4.68">attribute the hero that are the hero archetype of my mother and I'm not lying>

< start="1369.42" dur="5.21">she never complained she just never did and if she did I didn't hear it as a kid>

< start="1374.63" dur="6.55">and so when you're living in blindness and not sure whether you will see again>

< start="1381.18" dur="4.58">it's healthy to have that in your head and I mean I say you don't have to uh>

< start="1385.76" dur="5.29">you don't have to experience a bomb in your face to get some perspective but>

< start="1391.05" dur="3.96">you can read about it and it's like you said earlier in a world where we're so>

< start="1395.01" dur="3.78">connected and we can see everybody else's story of hardship you would think>

< start="1398.79" dur="4.44">that we would have more perspective but but it seems that the opposite is true>

< start="1403.23" dur="5.67">and first steps of reversing that trend I think is to at least realize it yeah>

< start="1408.9" dur="7.95">we we recently had on Rose Schindler who was a house where it's survivor and I>

< start="1416.85" dur="6.449">got many many many messages and comments coming back saying yeah>

< start="1423.299" dur="4.051">myself in check you know I I don't have it that bad>

< start="1427.35" dur="4.74">so that and yet we've had many people on here that have been through some really>

< start="1432.09" dur="5.189">hellacious things whether it's prisoner war camps just devastating situations>

< start="1437.279" dur="7.081">and it is it's it's it if they weren't here to here I get the feeling sometimes>

< start="1444.36" dur="3.629">that if people weren't hearing it here they wouldn't be hearing it they>

< start="1447.989" dur="4.081">wouldn't be hearing it you know they'd just be thinking that everyone is living>

< start="1452.07" dur="3.329">better than they are and they're the ones that are in the worst possible>

< start="1455.399" dur="6.331">situation in the world we've got yeah that's a you know I don't bring it too>

< start="1461.73" dur="4.98">much to politics but it is it is it is one reason that we that we have lurched>

< start="1466.71" dur="5.039">into this conversation about socialism because fundamentally socialism is as an>

< start="1471.749" dur="3.99">ideology that pits people against each other you have to believe that somebody>

< start="1475.739" dur="3.03">else is oppressing you and that they have it better than you for you to>

< start="1478.769" dur="5.13">embrace socialism it is it is envy it is the ultimate sin manifested into a>

< start="1483.899" dur="7.11">political ideology not the ultimate sin but it's one of them and that's I was>

< start="1491.009" dur="5.191">I'm always looking for the deeper reason as to why something is happening and it>

< start="1496.2" dur="4.26">is natural for for people to want to believe that something outside their own>

< start="1500.46" dur="5.699">power is fact is affecting their lives because if it's you if it's your fault>

< start="1506.159" dur="4.74">if it's you who has to step up that's harder it's much easier to believe that>

< start="1510.899" dur="3.931">there's something else it also is an assault on your ego when you look at>

< start="1514.83" dur="4.799">yourself and you say well I guess I'm the one that messed this up yeah it is>

< start="1519.629" dur="3.691">and that's that's a devastating psychological consequence when your ego>

< start="1523.32" dur="6.65">is hurt that way it is yeah I wrote a book about that called extreme ownership>

< start="1529.97" dur="4.209">it's good but again it's it's one of those things where you know you wrote>

< start="1534.179" dur="4.35">this book as you know as you're saying like a cultural philosophy you know life>

< start="1538.529" dur="5.28">and I wrote extreme ownership as well as leadership principles but I mean it well>

< start="1543.809" dur="3.18">it didn't take but two seconds for everyone to say oh yeah what you're>

< start="1546.989" dur="5.04">talking about is you know easily transforms into a into a cultural>

< start="1552.029" dur="3.15">philosophy of taking ownership and responsibility for what's going on in>

< start="1555.179" dur="2.161">your absolutely there's no doubt about it and>

< start="1557.34" dur="4.74">you find yourself in the lot in light and look do people get cancer yes people>

< start="1562.08" dur="5.61">get cancer to do horrible things happen to people to families yes absolutely how>

< start="1567.69" dur="2.34">do you respond to those things is the question how do you take ownership of>

< start="1570.03" dur="4.56">what you do next and and that's the that's the big difference and if what>

< start="1574.59" dur="4.56">you do next is is you know say it's out of my control and I can't do anything>

< start="1579.15" dur="4.5">and your get the mentality that you're a victim of what's happening around you>

< start="1583.65" dur="3.72">that means you're not gonna make any changes to transform your life and move>

< start="1587.37" dur="4.11">in a more positive direction it's just the way it is and you know I think I>

< start="1591.48" dur="4.8">think one of these things that happens with you know these ideas behind>

< start="1596.28" dur="4.05">socialism in America and again it's it's like crazy that we would be sitting here>

< start="1600.33" dur="5.31">talking about this anybody that anybody that reads anything about history knows>

< start="1605.64" dur="8.07">that this is just not good but you know it comes across always as hey well what>

< start="1613.71" dur="2.88">we want to do is help everyone out that's what we want to do we want to>

< start="1616.59" dur="5.73">help everyone out and okay if that's like the core belief and this is where I>

< start="1622.32" dur="4.71">think sometimes we could do better or you know someone like myself could do a>

< start="1627.03" dur="6">better job explaining to people look if you care about other human beings so>

< start="1633.03" dur="3.3">much if you want to help as many people as possible in this country the best>

< start="1636.33" dur="5.64">possible thing you could do is allow the market to flourish allow people to build>

< start="1641.97" dur="4.53">businesses that's what you that's what changes people's lives that that's what>

< start="1646.5" dur="6.09">helps not get giving them a handout and making them reliable or a reliant on the>

< start="1652.59" dur="3.66">state right it doesn't help anybody it helps them for a week you know it helps>

< start="1656.25" dur="3.84">them for that pay period but it doesn't help them transform their lives into>

< start="1660.09" dur="6.36">something more positive when one way I explained that exact sentiment is to ask>

< start="1666.45" dur="4.17">someone to imagine how they would raise their kid if they love their kid you>

< start="1670.62" dur="4.53">know would you give them whatever they want would you would you tell your kid>

< start="1675.15" dur="4.83">that whatever they do wrong it's it's not their fault somebody else made them>

< start="1679.98" dur="2.82">do it wrong would you tell them that there's no consequences for their>

< start="1682.8" dur="5.34">actions would you tell them that if they do an hour of chores and their sibling>

< start="1688.14" dur="3.51">does three hours that they deserve the same reward and>

< start="1691.65" dur="3.9">would you teach them any of these things there is no liberal who would teach at>

< start="1695.55" dur="3.36">their kids these things they don't because they love their kids and they>

< start="1698.91" dur="4.74">want their kids to be successful but that's effectively what we're teaching>

< start="1703.65" dur="4.8">what we're saying that we should teach our citizens and so I ask people why>

< start="1708.45" dur="4.23">don't we treat our citizens the way we treat our kids as if we loved them>

< start="1712.68" dur="3.69">because that's true compassion it doesn't mean we don't have a social>

< start="1716.37" dur="3.03">safety net right and that's always the counter-argument it's a disingenuous>

< start="1719.4" dur="3.03">counter-argument well the counter-argument to that is look with>

< start="1722.43" dur="2.25">your kids and this is an example that I use when I>

< start="1724.68" dur="3.06">especially when I'm talking to businesses so I say listen like what>

< start="1727.74" dur="3.63">will be with a start-up right that's grown from you know they were ten people>

< start="1731.37" dur="3.3">then there are hundred people now they're getting to that threshold and I>

< start="1734.67" dur="4.5">say listen at some point you're gonna have to put some discipline on what's>

< start="1739.17" dur="3.36">going on inside of your company you're gonna have to have people come to work>

< start="1742.53" dur="5.22">and that aligned times you're gonna have to have them eat lunch at certain times>

< start="1747.75" dur="3.57">not just like you're gonna have to you're to have to have meetings and that>

< start="1751.32" dur="4.71">are scheduled and look when you've got a company of twelve people you can get>

< start="1756.03" dur="2.61">away with all that stuff there and it's great there's money coming in and>

< start="1758.64" dur="3.96">everything's but as soon as you start to grow well you have to start to have>

< start="1762.6" dur="3.18">discipline inside your organization right and so the example I give people>

< start="1765.78" dur="6.09">is I say listen have you ever met a kid that when he's when he's born look when>

< start="1771.87" dur="3.27">a when a child is born you give whatever they want you got to keep them alive>

< start="1775.14" dur="4.23">right there's your social state like you have to give them food water milk you>

< start="1779.37" dur="3.9">have to get you have to feed them you have to take care of them if you>

< start="1783.27" dur="5.49">continue to do that when they're three four five well by the time they're ten>

< start="1788.76" dur="5.37">you actually now have Satan for a child yeah because this kid is totally out of>

< start="1794.13" dur="3.78">control do demanding doesn't it not only is>

< start="1797.91" dur="2.61">totally demanding but doesn't know how to do anything for themselves can't make>

< start="1800.52" dur="3.06">them solve the sandwich can't tie their own shoes it can't do anything so what>

< start="1803.58" dur="3.6">you have to do is you have to let people fend for themselves you have to let kids>

< start="1807.18" dur="3.45">brush up against the guardrails of failure you you have to do that and yes>

< start="1810.63" dur="5.22">you have to do that with society as well in my opinion and that's what that's>

< start="1815.85" dur="3.96">what the thing the argument that I don't hear back at people that are saying hey>

< start="1819.81" dur="6.48">we should give everything away for free is listen for that we don't have enough>

< start="1826.29" dur="3.63">to give away everything for free right the best way that you can take care of>

< start="1829.92" dur="5.58">the most amount of people is to allow freedom allow individual freedom allowed>

< start="1835.5" dur="4.47">people to pursue goals allow people to pursue business allow people to grow>

< start="1839.97" dur="6.72">things and hire people that's how you that's how we all win it's so it's crazy>

< start="1846.69" dur="6.09">to me that we still have these discussions and it's also yeah it's>

< start="1852.78" dur="3.21">crazy to me that we're having these discussions right now like this there's>

< start="1855.99" dur="5.55">like this belief that they subscribe to which is if only politicians want so>

< start="1861.54" dur="4.17">mean and corrupt you know there's all these things hidden that we could just>

< start="1865.71" dur="5.25">give you but they don't want to and I most like does that really sound right>

< start="1870.96" dur="4.83">like this is that does that really sound like that's that's correct that was just>

< start="1875.79" dur="4.26">all just extra money just hidden in the in the in the Treasury that we could>

< start="1880.05" dur="3.36">just give out what we don't want to that everybody that we have all these luxury>

< start="1883.41" dur="3.6">apartments that we could just give out you know because housings are right or>

< start="1887.01" dur="3.03">whatever or that or that there's just enough doctors and hospitals to take>

< start="1890.04" dur="3.9">care of everyone and they're just kind of waiting around like not you know I>

< start="1893.94" dur="4.89">mean like come on you know it's it's not if something if it sounds too good to be>

< start="1898.83" dur="5.07">true it most certainly is and again it doesn't mean that we don't want to keep>

< start="1903.9" dur="4.2">striving for a you know broader access to health care it doesn't mean that we>

< start="1908.1" dur="5.37">want to keep don't want to keep striving for a or efficient social safety net not>

< start="1913.47" dur="5.34">saying that but the but they lurch to the to the progressive left and>

< start="1918.81" dur="5.22">socialism is it's it's it's based upon this idea that that we're keeping>

< start="1924.03" dur="5.25">something from you and it's just not true it's based on this idea to that>

< start="1929.28" dur="7.23">that that where do I want to go with this it's it's kind of like a constant>

< start="1936.51" dur="5.46">escalation of crisis and it's it's it's not surprising that we got there okay>

< start="1941.97" dur="3.69">and this is what I mean by that if you're a progressive you're generally>

< start="1945.66" dur="4.38">wanting more progress right change for the sake of change itself is often the>

< start="1950.04" dur="4.32">case and you have to promise more things than you did last time>

< start="1954.36" dur="3.42">right because fundamentally it's it's it's based in the sense of>

< start="1957.78" dur="3.96">compassion you know giving people things from the government they don't think>

< start="1961.74" dur="3.21">very much they don't think much more about what that does to the foundation>

< start="1964.95" dur="4.14">of the creation that you talked about it's just giving me four more things and>

< start="1969.09" dur="3.41">it's almost like they relied on conservatives for the last hundred years>

< start="1972.5" dur="6.88">to at least to at least be an obstacle to their to their worst instincts right>

< start="1979.38" dur="3.3">because the goods conservatives are the ones who say okay hold on like ease>

< start="1982.68" dur="3.06">think of the second third order consequences of that think of what that>

< start="1985.74" dur="4.41">does to our foundations when I say foundations I mean>

< start="1990.15" dur="3.15">foundations of a free-market system that creates all this wealth in the first>

< start="1993.3" dur="4.98">place like you can't you can't just you can't remove the legs of the stool if>

< start="1998.28" dur="3.66">you want to improve the stool I get it let's work on that but don't remove the>

< start="2001.94" dur="3.99">legs of the stool it'll just fall same with our political foundations same with>

< start="2005.93" dur="4.71">our cultural foundations there's three groups that are very important we can I>

< start="2010.64" dur="4.62">could go on for hours about this but but I'll try and stay on top on this line of>

< start="2015.26" dur="5.82">thought here and so you promise more things and you promise more things and>

< start="2021.08" dur="3.72">eventually you're like running out of things to promise and you've got to be>

< start="2024.8" dur="5.54">bolder and bolder and bolder this is how you get socialism well-intentioned>

< start="2030.34" dur="5.77">liberalism always leads to socialism it takes years but it happens we're at that>

< start="2036.11" dur="5.16">point now okay like the the the the well-intentioned liberals maybe the the>

< start="2041.27" dur="5.1">the smarter you know Democrats that Republicans have often worked with who I>

< start="2046.37" dur="3.92">think always over-promised but know full well that the Republican colleagues will>

< start="2050.29" dur="5.139">sort of measure the the policy and I don't think they believe it themselves>

< start="2055.429" dur="5.431">frankly but they've created a generation that does believe it this is where we're>

< start="2060.86" dur="4.2">at right now the AOC s of the world are true believers and they've got a lot of>

< start="2065.06" dur="6.57">followers this is what happens when this this lie of compassion gets told too>

< start="2071.63" dur="4.14">many times a generation starts to actually believe it and this is the>

< start="2075.77" dur="4.71">situation we're in now this is why 70 percent of the Millennials surveyed will>

< start="2080.48" dur="3.15">say they would vote for a socialist now there's good news and bad news>

< start="2083.63" dur="2.52">associated with the number like that they don't always define socialism>

< start="2086.15" dur="3.63">correctly which is good yeah true and also I was>

< start="2089.78" dur="5.94">having a conversation with someone about this is a day I mean in 1968 how many 20>

< start="2095.72" dur="2.7">year olds would have said they would have voted for socialism it probably>

< start="2098.42" dur="3.33">probably 70 percent as well yeah you know there was a socialist candidate I>

< start="2101.75" dur="3.06">can't remember the name right now but I just saw this quote and it was so>

< start="2104.81" dur="4.61">interesting because that socialist communist candidate back then in the 60s>

< start="2109.42" dur="4.75">basically said what I just said you know you've got a I can't remember the exact>

< start="2114.17" dur="3.9">quote but it was something along the lines of the the the elements of liberal>

< start="2118.07" dur="6.48">policy are there to eventually create the fabric of socialism for us it's like>

< start="2124.55" dur="4.07">it's then that is exactly what happens it happens a little bit at a time and>

< start="2128.62" dur="3.85">here's another way of thinking about it that I help people understand okay so>

< start="2132.47" dur="3.72">you want to raise the minimum minimum wage okay and you want to raise it to 15>

< start="2136.19" dur="5.7">bucks an hour or 20 bucks an hour and that's fine there's it's guaranteed that>

< start="2141.89" dur="5.46">you will lose jobs when you do that that's it's guaranteed okay and so you>

< start="2147.35" dur="3.66">lose jobs and depending on how much you raise it in the cost of living in that>

< start="2151.01" dur="3">area you'll lose a certain number of jobs okay>

< start="2154.01" dur="4.23">well the the well-intentioned liberal and government who wants to control the>

< start="2158.24" dur="3.36">economy says well we don't want to lose the jobs okay we'll just make people>

< start="2161.6" dur="4.02">hire more just make make the employers hire more people okay fine so you make>

< start="2165.62" dur="2.76">them hire more people but they still have to pay that minimum wage well their>

< start="2168.38" dur="4.47">costs haven't changed and they're their overall budget hasn't changed so so now>

< start="2172.85" dur="4.44">what well then they have to raise prices right raise prices Jasta cailli well now>

< start="2177.29" dur="3.84">there's hyperinflation and that's not good and also the poor people can't>

< start="2181.13" dur="3.33">afford the things that they want to buy so that's not good>

< start="2184.46" dur="3.33">okay well just make them lower the prices look we're going out of business>

< start="2187.79" dur="4.29">okay just take over the business so now you own the means of production and I'm>

< start="2192.08" dur="2.67">not saying it happens that quickly but that's how it happens like there's>

< start="2194.75" dur="3.06">there's there's oh there's a logical line there well that well-intentioned>

< start="2197.81" dur="4.77">first step of intervening in the markets has consequences and eventually if you>

< start="2202.58" dur="3.99">want to control it well you have to really control it and then you're in a>

< start="2206.57" dur="3.12">really bad place because then you're then you then you're actually>

< start="2209.69" dur="3.33">controlling productions when you do that then you're in a place called Venezuela>

< start="2213.02" dur="2.89">yeah and that isn't turning out so well>

< start="2215.91" dur="5.83">all right little tangent right there hi well it's actually I go into this huge>

< start="2221.74" dur="3.3">discussion about the minimum wage in the book yeah>

< start="2225.04" dur="4.44">not because because this actually relates to mental toughness because the>

< start="2229.48" dur="6.18">way I relate it in the book is part of being part of having fortitude part of>

< start="2235.66" dur="4.02">being mentally tough is having the ability to think through some questions>

< start="2239.68" dur="3.84">before you react emotionally very simple and I'm pretty sure I think I think that>

< start="2243.52" dur="4.62">example is used in the chapter called be still and and I mean that quite>

< start="2248.14" dur="4.14">literally just be still when you hear something that is emotionally triggering>

< start="2252.28" dur="4.74">or you disagree with think about that this notion that there might be another>

< start="2257.02" dur="5.01">side to the story like just maybe if you just ask some questions and at first>

< start="2262.03" dur="3.809">again the minimum wage it seems like the right thing to do like how people should>

< start="2265.839" dur="5.821">just get paid more I want them to get paid more they should so I just give the>

< start="2271.66" dur="4.439">arguments in there like there's economic arguments and there's geographical>

< start="2276.099" dur="3.21">arguments by that I mean you know why would you have a federal minimum wage>

< start="2279.309" dur="3.421">that's the same for the entire country when in San Francisco the the rent is>

< start="2282.73" dur="3.27">thirty five hundred dollars a month and in Lubbock Texas seven hundred dollars a>

< start="2286" dur="5.7">month you know does that that really quickly makes the case against a federal>

< start="2291.7" dur="4.5">minimum wage not saying that each city can't do their own thing then I go into>

< start="2296.2" dur="3.99">the economic arguments of who's actually working a minimum wage jobs the point>

< start="2300.19" dur="3.48">isn't to make the argument against the minimum wage the point is to get you to>

< start="2303.67" dur="5.79">understand that this issue like many many other issues and questions has many>

< start="2309.46" dur="5.7">many layers to it and if you stop and you think first assume those layers>

< start="2315.16" dur="2.88">exist right then the next step is look into the>

< start="2318.04" dur="5.039">layers and there might be more to it and when you do that you are exhibiting>

< start="2323.079" dur="5.611">mental strength you're exhibiting the ability to not react but to just ask>

< start="2328.69" dur="5.28">questions and like I have a feeling I'm just a feeling that the the people>

< start="2333.97" dur="5.609">really angrily waving those $15 minimum wage signs have not looked into the our>

< start="2339.579" dur="5.881">treatments yeah but they're passionate yes really um you know I at our factory>

< start="2345.46" dur="4.41">up in Maine you know this is a class thing like sometimes you need more>

< start="2349.87" dur="4.77">people to load boxes and who do you get who do you who do you get to load box>

< start="2354.64" dur="3.66">this is an unskilled job like hey we just need you to move by it's not even>

< start="2358.3" dur="3.63">loading by it's moving boxes from here in the warehouse to where they're gonna>

< start="2361.93" dur="3.99">get loaded on trucks to get take shipped out you know you know who wants that job>

< start="2365.92" dur="7.02">a kid that's a 16 years old that you know does needs gas money and he's gonna>

< start="2372.94" dur="4.14">work that job two hours a night whatever and make a little bit of cash on the>

< start="2377.08" dur="5.46">side that's cool we can afford to do that at that our business the minute you>

< start="2382.54" dur="3.39">say hey instead of paying that guy 10 bucks an hour you got to give him $16 an>

< start="2385.93" dur="1.68">hour well now it's guess what we're gonna>

< start="2387.61" dur="3.99">take we're gonna just take some of our other labor and have them fill in you>

< start="2391.6" dur="2.46">know half an hour your half an hour there and all of a sudden with you've>

< start="2394.06" dur="3.81">eliminated three jobs that the overall budget of the business does not change>

< start="2397.87" dur="3.39">just because you changed the minimum wage but there's this like belief and>

< start="2401.26" dur="4.17">again you know it's I'm always amazed by how little pockets put into some of>

< start="2405.43" dur="6.69">these you know feel good policy policy proposals like as if there's no second>

< start="2412.12" dur="3.6">third order consequences to these things and like you just you have to think>

< start="2415.72" dur="3.75">through that we just have to that would be nice>

< start="2419.47" dur="4.77">all right let's get back to the book I'm gonna take you back to the you just did>

< start="2424.24" dur="5">you just deep reef the entire book we descend now all right so here we go>

< start="2429.24" dur="5.44">awake now in long stool I could not move I was beaten and for the moment>

< start="2434.68" dur="3.27">physically broken I was riddled with shards and debris>

< start="2437.95" dur="4.11">under under the skin and deep within I was swollen badly suffering from a>

< start="2442.06" dur="4.5">thousand small cuts everything burned and itched though oddly enough I don't>

< start="2446.56" dur="6.36">recall any pain in my eyes I said before that I woke up unable to see but this>

< start="2452.92" dur="5.04">was not entirely true I could see I could not see my surroundings true but I>

< start="2457.96" dur="5.58">was certainly seeing I was surrounded by constant hallucinations the result of my>

< start="2463.54" dur="5.1">optic nerve still communicating erratically with my brain the>

< start="2468.64" dur="4.44">hallucinations were lucid and all followed a pattern I was in Afghanistan>

< start="2473.08" dur="4.95">I was with the guys I was in an Afghan village mud walls and compounds there>

< start="2478.03" dur="3.01">was an Afghan man sitting next to me there were piles of weapons in the>

< start="2481.04" dur="6.09">corner I lived my previous experiences I lived my previous experiences over and>

< start="2487.13" dur="3.93">over again I knew it wasn't real I was hallucinating but not delusional if I>

< start="2491.06" dur="6.12">was awake I was seeing these images if I was lucky enough to fall asleep and>

< start="2497.18" dur="5.22">dream never more than 30 minutes then I would wake up and still wake up still>

< start="2502.4" dur="6.69">inside the visual reality of the dream that sounds insane that was that was>

< start="2509.09" dur="3.48">that was insane now was some of that it was some of that drugs that you were you>

< start="2512.57" dur="4.95">on were you on any drugs that were giving you hallucinations no or this was>

< start="2517.52" dur="5.52">just all your optic nerves communicating and there's there's some I research this>

< start="2523.04" dur="2.85">you know later in life and there's there's some history of this happening>

< start="2525.89" dur="4.62">to people who go suddenly blind that that optic nerve voles continue to do>

< start="2530.51" dur="3.9">that it couldn't have been drugs I mean the only drugs I was on or painkillers>

< start="2534.41" dur="5.25">and the wouldn't wouldn't have that effect there was just some weird things>

< start="2539.66" dur="5.7">that was it was it was so weird and and kind of terrifying and it just>

< start="2545.36" dur="3.93">it just it amplified the whole experience because I knew it wasn't real>

< start="2549.29" dur="5.4">I knew it wasn't real there was but I would I would always see them there and>

< start="2554.69" dur="3.93">I would talk about them and so you know the stranger stories are from my my>

< start="2558.62" dur="4.19">friends there's a couple seals who came to me with Lance to Landstuhl which was>

< start="2562.81" dur="6.37">it's such a enormous blessing you know you can't even describe how important it>

< start="2569.18" dur="4.44">is for somebody in that state to just have somebody they know or at least>

< start="2573.62" dur="3.33">somebody they kind of trust it doesn't even have to be a team guy you know it>

< start="2576.95" dur="6.87">could just be somebody who understands you just there and I remember this old>

< start="2583.82" dur="4.44">Afghan man sitting next to me and it was always like a weird blue light like it>

< start="2588.26" dur="3.59">was it was it really was like I'm could dream out of the movies you know we're>

< start="2591.85" dur="4.3">like a band and his face would be kind of melting I just remembered that very>

< start="2596.15" dur="3.15">specifically I don't remember all the hallucinations but I and I always>

< start="2599.3" dur="4.44">remember piles of weapons it was really like we were I was remembering the>

< start="2603.74" dur="4.38">moments which were so many because we would always do two to three day ops on>

< start="2608.12" dur="3.63">that particular deployment and so we'd holed up in some compound>

< start="2611.75" dur="3.45">they knew it you know it's like a you know are all the guys are just in this>

< start="2615.2" dur="4.29">tiny little room together shooting the shit and our weapons are kind of strewn>

< start="2619.49" dur="3.03">throughout and that's what I would see I was just seeing that experience all the>

< start="2622.52" dur="7.17">time the mud walls and one particularly weird dream I and I think I do describe>

< start="2629.69" dur="6.35">this in the book it's uh I was I was like I was in a third world country and>

< start="2636.04" dur="6.28">like in a department store you know like going through a very crowded department>

< start="2642.32" dur="3.93">store not with people but with clothes like they're like there did they you>

< start="2646.25" dur="2.849">know cuz in like a lot of these countries they'd just it's not like>

< start="2649.099" dur="2.911">Walmart you know where you can comfortably walk through things like>

< start="2652.01" dur="3.72">they pack too much stuff in because they don't have that much space but they got>

< start="2655.73" dur="3.96">a lot of stuff and they pack it in there and I'm just like trying to move through>

< start="2659.69" dur="3.69">these clothes and it's like musty and the lights are fluorescent like again>

< start="2663.38" dur="5.7">like this is just a very thorough bold country kind of scene you know couldn't>

< start="2669.08" dur="3.029">say where it was but I've been to a lot of third-world countries so my mind is>

< start="2672.109" dur="4.771">used to this sort of visualization and then I woke up and I know I'm awake but>

< start="2676.88" dur="2.91">I'm still there that's what really sucked>

< start="2679.79" dur="5.1">to not be able to leave the nightmare like I was literally living in a>

< start="2684.89" dur="4.14">nightmare and we always used the word literally wrong in our modern-day>

< start="2689.03" dur="4.68">society I'm not using it wrong I was literally living in the nightmare and>

< start="2693.71" dur="4.649">like it was inescapable not that's what sucks because like you just couldn't you>

< start="2698.359" dur="5.311">couldn't shake it and that that's all this was just a horrible place to be it>

< start="2703.67" dur="6.21">finally went away when a nurse an astute nurse an observant nurse just realized>

< start="2709.88" dur="4.05">what was going on and she started asking us about it and my wife is just like>

< start="2713.93" dur="3.35">kind of exasperated at this point she wasn't my wife then but she was you know>

< start="2717.28" dur="5.71">fiance then and she's just you know exhausted and like just trying to deal>

< start="2722.99" dur="4.02">with this and I think it was like I think it was like right after my first>

< start="2727.01" dur="6.45">surgery or maybe right before I don't remember but she was just like how long>

< start="2733.46" dur="5.19">has this been going on and we're like the whole time like ever since I woke up>

< start="2738.65" dur="3.63">you know so days and maybe a week I'm not really sure>

< start="2742.28" dur="5.94">um she's like that's not good you should mean her response was like you will have>

< start="2748.22" dur="5.67">a reparable PTSD if this continues you know because like you just living in a>

< start="2753.89" dur="5.52">nightmare is not a great place to be it's just and and so she shot me up with>

< start="2759.41" dur="4.2">a bunch of ativan which was like it's it's a hard anti-anxiety drug and then>

< start="2763.61" dur="3.78">then it got really weird then the hallucinations chained didn't>

< start="2767.39" dur="5.16">go away right away they changed to Christmas so I was like in a I was like>

< start="2772.55" dur="5.4">in like a like a Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer Christmas world this is what>

< start="2777.95" dur="3.81">you're seeing yeah even though you can't see anything this is what you see yeah>

< start="2781.76" dur="3.75">it's very Christmas world it's very vivid it's not like when you close your>

< start="2785.51" dur="5.6">eyes and imagine things it's like it was vivid the Christmas rolled was cool>

< start="2791.11" dur="5.17">that's cool yeah it was more relaxing it was like it was happier um>

< start="2796.28" dur="4.29">and then it went black and then black black was the best that was that was>

< start="2800.57" dur="3.09">good it was like you would know you would never think that you'd be happy to>

< start="2803.66" dur="5.13">be blind but like that was that was a good it was necessary I could finally>

< start="2808.79" dur="10.28">take a nap going back to the book here Tara this is your fiancee at the time>

< start="2819.07" dur="3.73">Tara was there when I finally arrived in Bethesda and never left my side from>

< start="2822.8" dur="5.58">that moment on most of my family came up to see me as did many friends they were>

< start="2828.38" dur="3.84">far more worried than I was and their spirits were low this was most likely>

< start="2832.22" dur="4.68">due to the fact that they were mentally coherent enough to sense the pessimistic>

< start="2836.9" dur="5.49">expectations of my surgeons the doctor did not think I would see again they>

< start="2842.39" dur="4.64">said so many times and I simply didn't believe them my optimism my>

< start="2847.03" dur="5.32">self-deception and my belief that the coming surgery on my left eye would work>

< start="2852.35" dur="3.87">and that I would see was nothing less than a delusional gift that allowed me>

< start="2856.22" dur="4.95">to keep my sanity though I am NOT one for overt expressions of faith I will>

< start="2861.17" dur="5.13">say this I genuinely believe God's strength was working through me then he>

< start="2866.3" dur="3.75">was allowing me to believe something impossible I prayed and my family prayed>

< start="2870.05" dur="4.2">and we believed we believe that the military surgeons>

< start="2874.25" dur="4.77">would pick through a pierced and shrapnel ridden I removed the most>

< start="2879.02" dur="8.58">miniscule shards and debris and then restore my sight we did not have good>

< start="2887.6" dur="8.39">reason to believe it but we did it's interesting that you call this>

< start="2895.99" dur="4.81">self-deception and delusional that yeah it sounds like everyone else was just>

< start="2900.8" dur="5.7">like hey man you know losing a good horn yeah it really stops a obviously that's>

< start="2906.5" dur="6.15">exactly right it was it was a necessary self delusion and again I was like I>

< start="2912.65" dur="4.29">don't know why that was it's in that's why I say Adam could have it had to been>

< start="2916.94" dur="7.17">God God saying you know I can't I'm not gonna save your eye for you bud lorelei>

< start="2924.11" dur="4.11">insurgents to do that but I'll at least allow you to believe that it's possible>

< start="2928.22" dur="4.85">because otherwise you're gonna go to nuts and again it's it's I I think Mike>

< start="2933.07" dur="5.38">you know whatever you want to call it post-traumatic growth afterwards is is a>

< start="2938.45" dur="4.13">function of being able to to live through the experience a certain way>

< start="2942.58" dur="3.58">because it's terrifying to think that you might not see again that's>

< start="2946.16" dur="3.81">terrifying and you know and I and I'm again because that that chapter is>

< start="2949.97" dur="4.05">called perspective from darkness there are other veterans who immediately lost>

< start="2954.02" dur="4.62">both eyes they had no chance of seeing again that's hardship I didn't have to>

< start="2958.64" dur="4.32">deal with that you know after somebody else has had it worse than you always>

< start="2962.96" dur="5.55">remember that even when you get blown up in the face yeah the doctors and that>

< start="2968.51" dur="3.33">continued it wasn't just being able to see anything again it was being able to>

< start="2971.84" dur="6.03">see well again I was demanding I was demanding the first surgery so the first>

< start="2977.87" dur="5.4">surgery for my left eye my right eye is gone my right eye was gone in Kandahar>

< start="2983.27" dur="4.23">they happen to be an ophthalmologist there that enucleated the eye right away>

< start="2987.5" dur="5.82">they do that early on so that your body will focus on the eye that's you know>

< start="2993.32" dur="6.12">possibly savable but the right eye was so screwed up and I wish that pictures>

< start="2999.44" dur="3.51">of it and that's kind of gruesome but you know and people don't want to take>

< start="3002.95" dur="1.69">pictures of you in that because they're like>

< start="3004.64" dur="6.66">that's not good to take pictures of you but but uh you know keep in mind that>

< start="3011.3" dur="3.72">the person might want those pictures later on that it's people don't realize>

< start="3015.02" dur="3.84">his kirsty edison and she got you know she got in the helo crash in afghanistan>

< start="3018.86" dur="5.97">and you know she's a beautiful girl and she had pictures of her face where 50>

< start="3024.83" dur="5.91">cal like the way that the helo went down I mean it it did some massive damage to>

< start="3030.74" dur="5.61">her face and she has pictures of it and look at the pictures and you can't>

< start="3036.35" dur="5">believe that you know she was able to recover the way she did it's amazing but>

< start="3041.35" dur="6.4">you know she's a marine and I will say that she's much aligned with your>

< start="3047.75" dur="3.09">feelings on this I think she's pretty stoked that she has those pictures of>

< start="3050.84" dur="5.01">herself all jacked totally took those pictures though was it the kind like Oh>

< start="3055.85" dur="3.57">after they got into like the medical you know what actually I think it was I>

< start="3059.42" dur="4.62">think it was if you remember her story there was some a really good plastic>

< start="3064.04" dur="4.44">surgeon like a bright red the ladies version and female plastic surgeon that>

< start="3068.48" dur="3.33">I think was probably like oh I'm gonna document this yes he's so there's a>

< start="3071.81" dur="4.17">difference between that and then like something like a wait guys and busts up>

< start="3075.98" dur="2.76">the phone and start taking bitches like which is what you think the team guy>

< start="3078.74" dur="3.93">would do and I think I would obviously go all cool check out fans are there I>

< start="3082.67" dur="5.04">I'm gonna get some snacks to this and we got some you know so I've only got one>

< start="3087.71" dur="5.04">picture but it's a good week out I mean it's not it's at least a few days like>

< start="3092.75" dur="6">it's um there's some healing that has taken place but I look bad like it looks>

< start="3098.75" dur="3.15">like a shock it looks like I'd hit in the face with a shotgun that's what my>

< start="3101.9" dur="3">face looks like it's show it to you right now if you really want to see it>

< start="3104.9" dur="2.87">just so you can react to it>

< start="3108.43" dur="4.09">I've never posted it because it's a little it's a little too gruesome for>

< start="3112.52" dur="9.33">posting blurry doubt but the option yeah the well not I kind of lost my train of>

< start="3121.85" dur="3.9">thought well yeah so you get that you get the surgery in the book you talk>

< start="3125.75" dur="5.58">about they removed the broken lens yes oh no copper wire that was in there>

< start="3131.33" dur="3.56">right bunch of other debris so hallucinations stop>

< start="3134.89" dur="6.71">and then then your six weeks they got to put you in a position for six weeks to>

< start="3141.6" dur="7.5">recover right so there's a couple things that happened here that's the picture oh>

< start="3149.1" dur="4.33">you know that's about a week after so there's there's some healing there but>

< start="3153.43" dur="9.03">it's not looking great it's yeah that's rough so damn Yeah right eyes gone left>

< start="3162.46" dur="6.72">eye has a as a cataract meaning the lens which is in the middle of your eye is is>

< start="3169.18" dur="4.26">destroyed cataracts are pretty normal thing for older folks to get you know>

< start="3173.44" dur="3.87">just basically means the lens has kind of I don't know the right term is but>

< start="3177.31" dur="3.99">kind of clouds over you need to replace it in my case it was trauma induced so>

< start="3181.3" dur="3.48">just bunch of fragments burst through the eye and destroyed the lens you can>

< start="3184.78" dur="4.23">kind of look at a lens like a window alright and this is an important way of>

< start="3189.01" dur="4.74">thinking about it because if it clouds over if that windows just you can't see>

< start="3193.75" dur="4.02">through it anymore we'll just replace the windowpane but if the blast destroys>

< start="3197.77" dur="3.93">the window then you're trying to so a new window pane onto basically the>

< start="3201.7" dur="3.66">curtains which are like the scelera of your eye and that was sort of the>

< start="3205.36" dur="3.9">situation I was dealing with so the first miracle was they removed the lens>

< start="3209.26" dur="3.9">entirely so okay so that things out because I remember this I think I think>

< start="3213.16" dur="2.79">it was in Landstuhl I sort of remember them shining a really bright light my>

< start="3215.95" dur="4.14">eye just to see if I could see light and I could see some light when they did>

< start="3220.09" dur="6">that what I saw was like darkness but there was like a light almost like we're>

< start="3226.09" dur="2.43">in this room right now and there's this bright light above our heads it's kind>

< start="3228.52" dur="4.59">of like that but everything else was like a cloud like like being like on an>

< start="3233.11" dur="3.57">air but like imagine you're like going through a cumulus cloud as you're taking>

< start="3236.68" dur="6.48">off like that's what it looks like very odd and strange and again so the first>

< start="3243.16" dur="3.33">miracle this in a battle you know maybe a week later when I finally got back to>

< start="3246.49" dur="3.51">the Bethesda we did the surgery they removed the big copper wire that had>

< start="3250" dur="6.21">really been destroying my eye so that's good and so we kind of start to see some>

< start="3256.21" dur="6.21">blurriness after that you know which is kind of what I see now as I look at you>

< start="3262.42" dur="5.67">now I'm wearing a contact and without if I took this contact out I wouldn't wreck>

< start="3268.09" dur="3.21">nice you I don't know wouldn't know I wouldn't run into things necessarily but>

< start="3271.3" dur="6.48">I can't see anything you know it's it's it's I mean I well it's like you know>

< start="3277.78" dur="3.81">twenty one thousand vision it's I can't really see anything it's just it's just>

< start="3281.59" dur="4.65">blurry can't see clothes can't see far can't find my glasses if I lose them the>

< start="3286.24" dur="4.2">glasses I do have four like that thick that's what I wear at night or on>

< start="3290.44" dur="3.93">airplanes or you know if I don't feel like wearing a contact so that never>

< start="3294.37" dur="4.95">goes away but at the time I wanted it to go away like I wanted to be like no just>

< start="3299.32" dur="4.56">make the eye better doctors why can't you just do that cuz I got a I got>

< start="3303.88" dur="6.42">places to be okay and they're like yeah do you you know it was like I was like>

< start="3310.3" dur="3.36">yeah I mean I was like okay so you just did this surgery remove the cataract now>

< start="3313.66" dur="3.99">I want a new lens so that I don't have to wear like Contacts and glasses>

< start="3317.65" dur="5.13">because I don't look cool in these glasses right I'm not a fan and uh you>

< start="3322.78" dur="3.42">know I don't really have to contact situation yet and and I actually>

< start="3326.2" dur="3.09">wouldn't for two and a half years it would take to get a really good contact>

< start="3329.29" dur="3.03">that's actually comfortable and so I was like just just do the surgery and>

< start="3332.32" dur="3.75">they're like well and I'm they're like we really shouldn't and I was like okay>

< start="3336.07" dur="3.51">what's the how much do we have to wait to do the surgery you know what's the>

< start="3339.58" dur="4.35">what's the minimum time cuz I need to have it as soon as possible because you>

< start="3343.93" dur="3.99">know I got to get back to the platoon I've got a I've got to go back and>

< start="3347.92" dur="3.75">they're like well I mean I guess technically six weeks I'm like six weeks>

< start="3351.67" dur="3.6">it is and like I couldn't see them at the time but they're looking at each>

< start="3355.27" dur="3.03">other like what the hell are you talking about like this isn't you don't>

< start="3358.3" dur="5.79">understand what your situation is it's like they were just I mean and my wife>

< start="3364.09" dur="2.61">tells me all this now cuz I couldn't see them and I couldn't>

< start="3366.7" dur="3.99">I wasn't self-aware enough to gauge people's reactions I was in you know>

< start="3370.69" dur="3.96">totally different state of mind I was on a lot of painkillers and drugs and so>

< start="3374.65" dur="4.86">you know and and and just like full-on seal mode layer get the job daughter>

< start="3379.51" dur="4.53">must get back to platoon kill bad guys and it's just like wasn't making sense>

< start="3384.04" dur="3.17">to people like they were just like I don't know what's wrong with this guy>

< start="3387.21" dur="4.12">and so they just kind of humored me I think like they're just like yeah sure>

< start="3391.33" dur="3.63">and we'll definitely definitely do that but they would have no and no intention>

< start="3394.96" dur="4.47">of doing it for good reason and then and then what you're talking about the six>

< start="3399.43" dur="4.53">weeks blindness that occurred later so at least miracles happened and like>

< start="3403.96" dur="5.52">we saved my eye and that was really exciting but then they you know but>

< start="3409.48" dur="3.09">they're but they're looking at it every day and they do this one test and they>

< start="3412.57" dur="6.54">see this hole in my retina so that's not a big deal because it's just just a hole>

< start="3419.11" dur="3.42">you know it means there's some blind spots and as I look at you I can kind of>

< start="3422.53" dur="4.2">see the blind spot it's like right in my face an own but I deal with it it's>

< start="3426.73" dur="6.69">annoying when I read frankly the problem with that is your retina the anatomy of>

< start="3433.42" dur="4.32">your retina causes that hole to expand there's a film there's like a it's like>

< start="3437.74" dur="3.6">a membrane on the back of your retina that creates tension and so anytime>

< start="3441.34" dur="4.83">there's a hole in your retina that means the hole will just expand slowly so it's>

< start="3446.17" dur="4.38">macular degeneration this again this happens with older folks quite a bit the>

< start="3450.55" dur="3.06">way to fix that is remove the membrane we're not really sure why the membranes>

< start="3453.61" dur="5.01">on there in the first place and so you just remove the membrane and then you're>

< start="3458.62" dur="3.54">good all right but and that's fine that's actually pretty normal surgery>

< start="3462.16" dur="3.6">but for me it was a really high-risk surgery because you know my eyes so>

< start="3465.76" dur="4.95">fragile and so they're worried about the retina detaching luckily it did not you>

< start="3470.71" dur="4.98">know because well who knows why again God's intervention and but you do have>

< start="3475.69" dur="5.31">to be face down for six weeks to recover from that so that was just just suck you>

< start="3481" dur="3.99">had to lay face down the entire time for six you have the latest face down>

< start="3484.99" dur="5.1">because what they do is they they inject this gas into your eye and that creates>

< start="3490.09" dur="6.63">a bubble which creates tension so and if the bubble is meant to be pressed up>

< start="3496.72" dur="4.47">against your retina to keep it in place the only way for it to press up against>

< start="3501.19" dur="6.57">your retina is for you to be looking down and so you just look just sucks>

< start="3507.76" dur="2.91">you just have to be face down doesn't matter how you're doing it just lay down>

< start="3510.67" dur="4.41">or walk facedown or whatever it is but just make sure you're facing down for>

< start="3515.08" dur="3.62">six weeks and you're blind the whole time>

< start="3518.7" dur="3.85">most of the time they'll do this like one eye at a time so if somebody can see>

< start="3522.55" dur="6.08">still but you know I'm not a one eye at a time kind of guy anymore>

< start="3533.03" dur="5.32">you get past that you say when the six weeks were over I sat up and I was not>

< start="3538.35" dur="5.25">blind moreover with the help of a truly remarkable contact lens from Boston>

< start="3543.6" dur="4.53">sight to which the Navy referred me years later I was eventually returned to>

< start="3548.13" dur="7.41">20/20 correct hole vision in my left eye that's the story of being blown up I>

< start="3555.54" dur="5.04">can't say I recommend the experience yet even as it was happening even in the>

< start="3560.58" dur="5.46">moment after the blast I had to admit it could have been worse I still had my>

< start="3566.04" dur="5.04">legs I had my arms I had ten fingers and ten toes my brain worked even after a>

< start="3571.08" dur="6.45">severe concussion I was still alive it is impossible not to constantly think of>

< start="3577.53" dur="4.53">the many veterans who have sacrificed so much more impossible not to think of>

< start="3582.06" dur="4.77">Seale Petty Officer second class Mike Mansoor who threw himself on a>

< start="3586.83" dur="5.09">grenade while on a rooftop in Ramadi in Iraq 2006 saving his teammates>

< start="3591.92" dur="5.44">impossible not to think of Air Force Master Sergeant John Chapman who fought>

< start="3597.36" dur="4.23">all night against the Taliban coming in and out of consciousness from his wounds>

< start="3601.59" dur="6.87">eventually succumbing to them on that Afghan Ridgeline but only after earning>

< start="3608.46" dur="4.77">the Medal of Honor for saving 23 servicemembers impossible not to think>

< start="3613.23" dur="4.65">of my platoon members and dear friends Dave warson and Pat fix who were killed>

< start="3617.88" dur="4.68">just two months after I was evacuated from Helmand impossible not to think of>

< start="3622.56" dur="7.05">their loved ones who had been expecting them home a month later impossible not>

< start="3629.61" dur="5.57">to think of the eight men whose initials are tattooed on my chest in remembrance>

< start="3635.18" dur="9.84">Charles Keating the fourth Patrick fix Dave warson Brad Kavner>

< start="3645.02" dur="11.1">Brett Mary you Kevin Evert Brendan Looney and Tom Falc>

< start="3657.51" dur="9.39">this is the simple reality others have had it harder than me many many others>

< start="3666.9" dur="7.36">from that darkness comes realism from that realism comes gratitude from>

< start="3674.26" dur="9.3">gratitude comes perspective a healthy sense of perspective is an antidote to>

< start="3683.56" dur="5.43">outrage is an antidote to self-pity despair and weakness it's not a cure-all>

< start="3688.99" dur="4.44">for your mental state when faced with adversity but it is sure to dull the>

< start="3693.43" dur="18.93">edges of your worst tendencies toward mental breakdown yeah that's the that's>

< start="3712.36" dur="3.93">the perspective that you and I already talked about today that perspective that>

< start="3716.29" dur="5.36">it would be seemed like it would be very helpful for people to think about it is>

< start="3721.65" dur="7.87">and you know I'm using extreme examples right not everybody can relate to that>

< start="3729.52" dur="5.04">but they don't have to and I don't I don't want you to go be in a terrible>

< start="3734.56" dur="8.34">situation just to earn some perspective right like but just the simple reminder>

< start="3742.9" dur="7.59">to yourself that it exists like somebody else has had it harder that's there's a>

< start="3750.49" dur="7.68">comfort in that I think and it is an antidote to self-pity self-pity is a>

< start="3758.17" dur="5.73">gateway to the outrage culture that I think we see all around us and so that>

< start="3763.9" dur="4.89">is a gateway to the socialistic tendencies I think that we've been>

< start="3768.79" dur="5.1">seeing as of late and you can avoid these things with some perspective and>

< start="3773.89" dur="6.15">gratitude and you know it's it's again it's it's hard for anybody the teams to>

< start="3780.04" dur="3.86">ever feel sorry for themselves when you know because you know of these guys and>

< start="3783.9" dur="4.18">you know some of those guys I listed of course>

< start="3788.08" dur="5.82">and you know if there's ever a reason you need to get up in the morning not at>

< start="3793.9" dur="9.3">4:30 but like like later you know get a normal human time then then the boys who>

< start="3803.2" dur="4.8">wish they could get up you know that's a good reason because they would like to>

< start="3808" dur="5.61">be able to get up and they can't and their widows are really wishing they>

< start="3813.61" dur="4.05">would get up too and they can't you know and the Manus where I mentioned unsung>

< start="3817.66" dur="6.24">heroes but the widows are here the the heroes of the SEAL Teams III have yet to>

< start="3823.9" dur="7.83">meet the wife of one of those guys who fell into self-pity and despair I have>

< start="3831.73" dur="4.77">only met I only know ones who have overcome with the greatest grace it's>

< start="3836.5" dur="6.99">just amazing I've watched these watch these women just serve as the most>

< start="3843.49" dur="8.61">ultimate example mothers as well you know that I know you know like Debbie>

< start="3852.1" dur="4.8">Lee for instance it's absolutely it's just it's just incredible to watch that>

< start="3856.9" dur="9.11">fortitude we just we just couldn't do it without them yeah it's always one of the>

< start="3866.01" dur="5.95">things about about marks mom and life and I talk about this a lot is you know>

< start="3871.96" dur="10.89">when when we called her from Iraq to talk to her and to console her she was>

< start="3882.85" dur="5.07">consoling us you know she was wanted to make sure we were okay she wanted to>

< start="3887.92" dur="4.62">make sure we were handling think she wanted to know if we needed anything you>

< start="3892.54" dur="5.01">know that was her attitude out of the gate now and that shows you you know the>

< start="3897.55" dur="3.96">kind of people that you're talking about you know someone that's that's taking>

< start="3901.51" dur="4.83">their own personal worst nightmare that any you know any parent could ever have>

< start="3906.34" dur="3.96">of losing their kid and immediately saying well what can I do for you guys>

< start="3910.3" dur="11.56">yeah it is unbelievable he's uh you know it was recent friend>

< start="3921.86" dur="5.97">good friend I lost was was Chuck Keating the fourth and you know his his wife>

< start="3927.83" dur="6.42">started a foundation in his name his dad as well and his family's just>

< start="3934.25" dur="3.48">been incredible but that's not that that's that's not the exception like>

< start="3937.73" dur="6.36">that's been the rule from what I've seen and it's so much harder to be the family>

< start="3944.09" dur="8.13">left behind than it is to to be us I think you know we go and we choose to do>

< start="3952.22" dur="3.84">this thing overseas and we're doing it with our brothers in arms and we love it>

< start="3956.06" dur="7.86">and we know what's coming the next day we we're in control to an extent to the>

< start="3963.92" dur="4.65">greatest extent we can be but our family is not there they're their life doesn't>

< start="3968.57" dur="3.69">change except that we're just not there and they don't know what's happening and>

< start="3972.26" dur="3.24">then they get a call and I don't actually go into detail and my wife's>

< start="3975.5" dur="4.08">experience on the perspectives from darkness but but you know she gets a>

< start="3979.58" dur="4.34">call and so her only consolation is that it's a call and not a guy at the door>

< start="3983.92" dur="6.07">but you know it's a call that she's getting before 6 a.m. and before she her>

< start="3989.99" dur="6.6">alarm goes off to go to work and and then there's you know the very typical>

< start="3996.59" dur="5.67">kind of lack of exact information given to her she's not sure what my face looks>

< start="4002.26" dur="3.63">like because they're because they don't know what my face looks like they're not>

< start="4005.89" dur="3.12">sure if it's still there but my head is still there like there's all this>

< start="4009.01" dur="4.05">misinformation get enough enough information to just plant seeds of>

< start="4013.06" dur="4.89">absolute horror it's horrible and guess who but but you know who the who you>

< start="4017.95" dur="5.37">know who went there first was the loony family row you know it's like it's it's>

< start="4023.32" dur="7.98">it was it's Amy Looney their canoe her husband two years earlier and she's the>

< start="4031.3" dur="8.55">one there consoling Tara and it's just that that's the type of community that>

< start="4039.85" dur="6.54">the SEAL Teams is blessed with and you know it's it is it is a true blessing>

< start="4046.39" dur="4.35">and it's unique I wish were broader I wish we could say you>

< start="4050.74" dur="4.74">know I talked to other friends and other and other communities that it doesn't>

< start="4055.48" dur="6.03">seem it's not as good and I wish it was I wish we should all strive to just to>

< start="4061.51" dur="5.76">take care of each other in that way so rolling into your next chapter and I>

< start="4067.27" dur="4.77">haven't made my caveat that I always make I'm not reading this whole book>

< start="4072.04" dur="3.87">right now and so when it skips around it's because I'm not reading the whole>

< start="4075.91" dur="3.179">book you have to buy the book so that you can hear the whole thing and and>

< start="4079.089" dur="4.081">then we're just you know you and I are going off of a bunch of tangents and>

< start="4083.17" dur="5.55">which is awesome but you know the book that has so many great details in it and>

< start="4088.72" dur="6.869">the stories are so clear and they're real personal too so you got to buy the>

< start="4095.589" dur="3.931">book to get that got to buy the book you gotta buy the book so the next chapter>

< start="4099.52" dur="2.489">which you mentioned earlier is called who's your hero and I'm gonna jump to>

< start="4102.009" dur="2.191">this part right here where you talking about the SEAL Teams it says the SEAL>

< start="4104.2" dur="4.07">Teams like any like many military units are relentless in the pursuit of>

< start="4108.27" dur="5.98">establishing hero archetypes doing so is extremely important when the goal is to>

< start="4114.25" dur="4.02">create a monoculture that operates as a mission oriented team>

< start="4118.27" dur="5.46">this is a community with a very deep sense of who we want to be we talk about>

< start="4123.73" dur="6.9">it all the time and we beat it into our trainees Jocko specifically into our>

< start="4130.63" dur="7.95">trainees I did some here's some of the things that will be beaten into you you>

< start="4138.58" dur="4.17">will be someone who is never late you will be someone who takes care of his>

< start="4142.75" dur="4.35">men gets to know them and puts their needs before yours you will be someone>

< start="4147.1" dur="2.28">who does not quit in the face of adversity>

< start="4149.38" dur="3.81">you will be someone who takes charge and leans when no one else will you will be>

< start="4153.19" dur="4.83">detail-oriented always vigilant you will be aggressive in your actions but never>

< start="4158.02" dur="3.509">lose your cool you will have a sense of humor because sometimes that is all that>

< start="4161.529" dur="3.601">can get you through the darkest hours you will work hard and perform even when>

< start="4165.13" dur="4.26">no one is watching you will be creative and think outside the box even if it>

< start="4169.39" dur="4.199">gets you in trouble you are a rebel but not a mutineer you are a jack of all>

< start="4173.589" dur="6.42">trades and master of none and then you go into the official ethos which you>

< start="4180.009" dur="5.371">mentioned earlier I was debating if I should read this and>

< start="4185.38" dur="7.02">I think I'm actually just gonna read it it's a good ethos so here we go in times>

< start="4192.4" dur="4.409">of war or uncertainty there's a special breed of warrior ready to answer our>

< start="4196.809" dur="7.741">nation's call a common man with uncommon desire to succeed forged by adversity he>

< start="4204.55" dur="4.799">stands alongside America's finest special operations forces to serve his>

< start="4209.349" dur="7.411">country the American people and protect their way of life I am that man my>

< start="4216.76" dur="4.83">Trident is a symbol of honor and heritage bestowed upon me by the heroes>

< start="4221.59" dur="5.569">that have gone before it embodies the trust of those I have sworn to protect>

< start="4227.159" dur="4.721">by wearing the Trident I accept the responsibility of my chosen profession>

< start="4231.88" dur="8.4">and way of life it is a privilege that I must earn every day my loyalty to>

< start="4240.28" dur="6.54">country and team is beyond reproach I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow>

< start="4246.82" dur="5.399">Americans always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves>

< start="4252.219" dur="7.67">I do not advertise the nature of my work nor seek recognition for my actions I>

< start="4259.889" dur="6.52">voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession placing the welfare and>

< start="4266.409" dur="6.83">security of others before my own I serve with honor on and off the battlefield>

< start="4273.239" dur="5.44">the ability to control my emotions and my actions regardless of circumstance>

< start="4278.679" dur="7.4">sets me apart from other men uncompromising integrity is my standard>

< start="4286.079" dur="6.571">my character and honor are steadfast my word is my bond>

< start="4292.65" dur="7.87">we expect to be we expect to lead and be led in the absence of orders I will take>

< start="4300.52" dur="6.75">charge lead my teammates and accomplish the mission I lead by example in all>

< start="4307.27" dur="8.63">situations I will never quit I persevere and thrive on adversity my>

< start="4315.9" dur="4.14">nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my>

< start="4320.04" dur="3.24">enemies if knocked down I will get back up every>

< start="4323.28" dur="6.12">time I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my>

< start="4329.4" dur="5.84">teammates and to accomplish our mission I am never out of the fight>

< start="4335.24" dur="6.76">we demand discipline we expect innovation the lives of my teammates and>

< start="4342" dur="5.88">the success of our mission depend on me my technical skill tactical proficiency>

< start="4347.88" dur="8.1">and attention to detail my training is never complete we train for war and>

< start="4355.98" dur="7.83">fight to win I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in>

< start="4363.81" dur="6.48">order to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country the>

< start="4370.29" dur="3.75">execution of my duties will be swift and violent when required>

< start="4374.04" dur="6.99">yet guided by the very principles that I served to defend brave men have fought>

< start="4381.03" dur="4.86">and died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to>

< start="4385.89" dur="6.9">uphold in the worst of conditions the legacy of my teammates steadies my>

< start="4392.79" dur="8.39">resolve and silently guides my every deed I will not fail>

< start="4404.1" dur="5.83">so that's the seal ethos and interestingly or if you know where that>

< start="4409.93" dur="3.69">came from no I was actually I just thought about>

< start="4413.62" dur="3.03">that in last three seconds so I was like I would love to be a fly on the wall as>

< start="4416.65" dur="7.77">this was getting drafted so it was written in 2005 a bunch of us went to>

< start="4424.42" dur="6.09">San Clemente Island I would say there was maybe 10 or 15>

< start="4430.51" dur="6.87">yeah probably 10 or 15 teen guys that went out to San Clemente Island and made>

< start="4437.38" dur="7.23">this and made the the other like shorter one the little the little short SEAL>

< start="4444.61" dur="6.99">ethos and it was actually part of what was driving it was in response to before>

< start="4451.6" dur="4.35">I think was before with what year did you get to the teams started buds in>

< start="4455.95" dur="7.62">2006 yeah okay so in like 2003 2004 there was a platoon that just there was>

< start="4463.57" dur="5.669">a platoon commander that dyed his hair he was overseas on deployment dyed his>

< start="4469.239" dur="11.311">hair blonde had a pierced earring and was selling drugs to his platoon I mean>

< start="4480.55" dur="4.65">just a total disaster and then there was a bunch of other you know look as you>

< start="4485.2" dur="5.25">know as we know like we're in the news a lot and there's spikes were one of their>

< start="4490.45" dur="6.84">news for some negative things and so there was a couple other really negative>

< start="4497.29" dur="4.56">things that was kind of the peak was this guy dealing drugs inside of his own>

< start="4501.85" dur="4.29">platoon and the platoon being a total disaster and getting disbanded and sent>

< start="4506.14" dur="4.349">home from deployment by the way this is like during a time of>

< start="4510.489" dur="6.721">war so you know the admiral who you know was a great guy said look we need to do>

< start="4517.21" dur="5.91">something about this and that's what so we went out and the and this is what>

< start="4523.12" dur="4.83">came out of it I'm looking at I still remember some little things like there>

< start="4527.95" dur="4.35">were some things where I was you know a little bit more a woman I wanted them to>

< start="4532.3" dur="4.13">be a little bit more aggressive on some things like yeah I remember>

< start="4536.43" dur="4.08">I remember I got shut down one of the lines that I was like no it should be>

< start="4540.51" dur="5.76">destroy your enemy like that's what we do and it didn't make the cut I think it>

< start="4546.27" dur="3.75">was in I think it was this part right here where it says I stand I stand - I>

< start="4550.02" dur="3.9">stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order to>

< start="4553.92" dur="5.49">achieve my mission and the goals established by my country my version it>

< start="4559.41" dur="5.85">was to achieve my mission and destroy my enemy or destroy the enemies of our>

< start="4565.26" dur="3.39">country something like that and I got I got the reins pulled in on me there was>

< start="4568.65" dur="2.91">there was quite a few but you know I did all right I mean we got some discipline>

< start="4571.56" dur="3.99">in there right we did pretty good I love to see what the chaco version would be>

< start="4575.55" dur="7.26">yeah you wanted to go more aggressive no way impossible to believe you know and>

< start="4582.81" dur="5.73">it's interesting and one of the reasons that like a lot of the discussion around>

< start="4588.54" dur="2.85">it and there were some grand there was a bunch of great guys out there I mean it>

< start="4591.39" dur="2.88">was like the Admiral picked guys to go out there was pretty awesome>

< start="4594.27" dur="4.92">a great crew of people and at the time you know it was 2005 like we didn't>

< start="4599.19" dur="3.9">really have as much combat experiences we have you know now which is just>

< start="4603.09" dur="8.73">awesome but my attitude was like listen we're not writing this 405's right we're>

< start="4611.82" dur="3.72">not writing this for SEAL team commanders or Commodores like this thing>

< start="4615.54" dur="4.95">should be leveled at the point of aim point of impact should be an e5 team>

< start="4620.49" dur="3.6">guys look I know that this guy that was a was an officer that had this bad>

< start="4624.09" dur="3.84">platoon but like that's that's who not who were named it we should not have>

< start="4627.93" dur="3.42">those problems and like that's yes we got to handle that but this should be>

< start="4631.35" dur="4.32">aim point of aim point of impact should be an e5 team guy that's that's needs to>

< start="4635.67" dur="3.51">understand the ethos and go hey I need to do the right thing because by the way>

< start="4639.18" dur="2.91">if you're in a platoon and you've got squared away he fives they'll destroy>

< start="4642.09" dur="5.1">that they'll they'll crush that officer that's doing dumb things yeah they'll>

< start="4647.19" dur="4.32">kill him not kill him literally Vietnam frag style but they will get him removed>

< start="4651.51" dur="6.03">you know and you know that's what will happen so yeah and I think it hits that>

< start="4657.54" dur="5.25">pretty well yeah yeah it does pretty good it does pretty good yeah it's a>

< start="4662.79" dur="3.9">great ethos and it was awesome to be out there when this thing was getting>

< start="4666.69" dur="4.44">written and then see it you know I it it's>

< start="4671.13" dur="3.78">always interesting to be a part of things like that that you don't really>

< start="4674.91" dur="5.91">know like I mean you don't run it really understand what you're doing at the time>

< start="4680.82" dur="2.22">you know you're just trying to get the job done you're trying to do a good job>

< start="4683.04" dur="5.19">but you don't always know what the impacts gonna be later when you when you>

< start="4688.23" dur="4.32">do something like that but yeah it's an honor to be out there and make that>

< start="4692.55" dur="3">happen or help make that happen again there's a bunch of people out there I>

< start="4695.55" dur="4.95">was I may very well but know that I wouldn't I won't say was the junior guy>

< start="4700.5" dur="2.79">but there because there was you know there was a bunch of Master Chief's out>

< start="4703.29" dur="4.44">there a bunch of badass Master Chief's here so yeah it's cool and it's just>

< start="4707.73" dur="3.96">it's so important and I'm gonna stop jumping ahead on the book now that I>

< start="4711.69" dur="2.73">understand what we're doing because I've already yeah I already hit this part>

< start="4714.42" dur="5.01">pre-brief to you I guess yeah but the it's so important for an organization to>

< start="4719.43" dur="4.77">understand who they want to be and that was the whole reason I put the seal>

< start="4724.2" dur="3.99">ethos in there because there's a deep cultural mindset that is beaten into us>

< start="4728.19" dur="6">you know quite literally there's the more high-minded philosophical approach>

< start="4734.19" dur="5.58">which is the seal ethos but it does a good job of relating to the the lowest>

< start="4739.77" dur="5.7">level guy to but it's it's it goes way beyond the steel ethos I mean there's so>

< start="4745.47" dur="3.78">many other lessons that get repeated like mantras throughout training>

< start="4749.25" dur="6.45">throughout but it's about who you are like what it means to be a guy who wears>

< start="4755.7" dur="4.65">the Trident like what that really means and this is simple stuff you know and I>

< start="4760.35" dur="4.11">listed some of it earlier right left just don't quit just be on time like>

< start="4764.46" dur="4.35">work when no one's watching you know it's like just really simple stuff but>

< start="4768.81" dur="4.71">it's like it's who you better be and you better be funny okay that's actually>

< start="4773.52" dur="3.54">part of our culture harder to be a better to you guys you better have a>

< start="4777.06" dur="4.47">really sick sense of humor and like you better go after each other>

< start="4781.53" dur="4.08">but it better be funny yeah you know it's gotta actually and like we rely on>

< start="4785.61" dur="6.45">that dark humor in a really fundamental way that I think it's maybe maybe a side>

< start="4792.06" dur="5.01">of us that isn't as prevalent in all the books and all the movies but like I like>

< start="4797.07" dur="2.94">to think we're pretty damn funny I mean I've been on Saturday Night Live so>

< start="4800.01" dur="6.34">obviously I'm funny yeah you know yeah I know a thick skin and>

< start="4806.35" dur="4.65">you know the ability to verbally spar with people 24 hours a day from the>

< start="4811" dur="4.53">moment you report in to work the moment you show up until and any mistake that>

< start="4815.53" dur="4.62">you make you better you know you you throw a shot on a you know while you're>

< start="4820.15" dur="2.67">shooting you throw a shot and hit something that you shouldn't hit or>

< start="4822.82" dur="5.01">whatever it's you just sign up for ridicule because that's what's about to>

< start="4827.83" dur="5.54">happen the greatest thing it really is you got a bunch of stuff in here that's>

< start="4833.37" dur="4.24">you start talking about traits and you know again it's what's what you're>

< start="4837.61" dur="5.12">talking about some of the traits of you must be someone that can take a joke>

< start="4842.73" dur="4.3">it's very simple you want to be productive you want to be someone that>

< start="4847.03" dur="3.12">makes progress every single day you want to be someone who identifies a goal and>

< start="4850.15" dur="2.91">sticks with it again you know what I like about these is just going back to>

< start="4853.06" dur="3.9">the earlier conversations if you think about how you would want your kid to act>

< start="4856.96" dur="3.51">these are good things this is how you want your kid act you want to be you>

< start="4860.47" dur="3.39">want to be seen as reliable you want people to ask things of you because you>

< start="4863.86" dur="3.51">have a reputation for getting it done reliability is an element of force that>

< start="4867.37" dur="4.4">you want to be you want to have the ability to delay gratification a>

< start="4871.77" dur="4.69">mentally tough person can avoid the next cupcake and save it for later after>

< start="4876.46" dur="3.87">earning with some exercise you want to be even-tempered you don't ever want to>

< start="4880.33" dur="3.12">lose it emotions don't drive your actions you want to be humble you have>

< start="4883.45" dur="3.99">confidence but not overbearing you want to be someone that internalizes someone>

< start="4887.44" dur="3.93">else's point of view before speaking at them like these are the kind of things>

< start="4891.37" dur="5.1">you're talking about and and you you you put you say this the question is how do>

< start="4896.47" dur="3.75">we become the heroes we want to be my answer sanctioned intellectual property>

< start="4900.22" dur="2.46">theft that's how no one has a patent on good>

< start="4902.68" dur="3.96">habits you can steal them identify your heroes and emulate the character traits>

< start="4906.64" dur="5.22">that make that person more successful than you currently are and this and this>

< start="4911.86" dur="4.59">gets into this I love this this is one of my favorite chapters to write because>

< start="4916.45" dur="5.31">I love psychology you know Jordan Peterson's one of my favorite thinkers>

< start="4921.76" dur="7.3">out there there's a lot of psychological references in this chapter and>

< start="4929.06" dur="5.16">and then another one too but especially this one and hero archetypes and we>

< start="4934.22" dur="2.91">already already hit what I meant by hero archetypes and that and I just think>

< start="4937.13" dur="4.23">that's so important you have to have a visualization of what you're looking up>

< start="4941.36" dur="4.43">to you have to look at yourself in 10 years and think okay that's that's how>

< start="4945.79" dur="5.65">how would that person react to this situation I should react that way now>

< start="4951.44" dur="4.47">like you know and it's hard and this isn't supposed to be easy>

< start="4955.91" dur="4.32">and when I say sanctioned intellectual property theft it's like look at the>

< start="4960.23" dur="3.45">attributes of people you respect you know like what are they doing like if>

< start="4963.68" dur="4.62">you want to get to where they're at just copy them this isn't this isn't rocket>

< start="4968.3" dur="5.43">science you know if this is an anyone any of your listeners are like well yeah>

< start="4973.73" dur="3.18">that's why I listen to Jack oh you know yeah who isn't and you and I were>

< start="4976.91" dur="5.97">talking about this earlier this idea of sanctioned intellectual property theft>

< start="4982.88" dur="6.6">you know extreme ownership is this his personal response did I did I did I make>

< start="4989.48" dur="4.62">up personal responsibility in the form of extreme ownership no I didn't I>

< start="4994.1" dur="4.77">didn't make up the you know discipline equals freedom I did am I the first>

< start="4998.87" dur="4.41">person that ever said you know what if you have discipline in your life you'll>

< start="5003.28" dur="4.44">have more freedom I mean it's in the Bible like these aren't things that I>

< start="5007.72" dur="6.39">old ideas of the best exactly and you know maybe I worded it in a way that was>

< start="5014.11" dur="2.7">easier for people to understand or came at it from a different angle or whatever>

< start="5016.81" dur="5.13">but the fact of the matter is this stuff's out there and these are these>

< start="5021.94" dur="4.8">these traits that you're talking about are just as you were saying earlier it's>

< start="5026.74" dur="3.81">like oh we want your kid to not lose their temper that that's what you want>

< start="5030.55" dur="5.76">your kid to be reliable these are really basic things and yet if you don't>

< start="5036.31" dur="4.32">identify them which is your point if you don't identify them and you know that's>

< start="5040.63" dur="3.51">what in the warrior kid book so I written these kids books well one of the>

< start="5044.14" dur="4.44">things in the warrior kid books is first his uncle who's a seal teaches him all>

< start="5048.58" dur="4.95">the different codes mmm all the different warrior codes from from>

< start="5053.53" dur="3.12">ancient times till today to the ranger coat to the seal coat they're in the>

< start="5056.65" dur="4.44">book and then he says you need to write your own code and that's what he does in>

< start="5061.09" dur="2.94">the book right says code of what it means to be a warrior>

< start="5064.03" dur="4.71">kid and that's what he lives up to so same thing you're saying here yeah it's>

< start="5068.74" dur="5.4">in and then again to the discussion about hierarchies and why that's kind of>

< start="5074.14" dur="4.35">an important way of looking at this because it and also why I said you don't>

< start="5078.49" dur="7.71">pick a person to be your hero you pick many real or imagined characters who who>

< start="5086.2" dur="5.19">excel in a certain hierarchy and that that's an important thing to define>

< start="5091.39" dur="2.94">there's different types of hierarchies like some people excel in a jiu jitsu>

< start="5094.33" dur="2.31">hierarchy if you want to be good at jiu jitsu>

< start="5096.64" dur="4.74">copy this person okay but you don't listen to everything they say because>

< start="5101.38" dur="3.39">they might be all screwed up in some other way this is right this is it this>

< start="5104.77" dur="5.58">is a fact yeah but but like you know follow this leader like there's>

< start="5110.35" dur="3.81">something about that leader that I like and that there's something that makes me>

< start="5114.16" dur="4.29">want to follow them what is it I should identify it I can start to emulate those>

< start="5118.45" dur="5.73">behaviors one note I made in in in your book here is uh when you said when you>

< start="5124.18" dur="4.92">said to do that I have plus bad examples and in my latest book leadership>

< start="5129.1" dur="3.63">strategy tactics I had this beautiful situation unfolding where I had a>

< start="5132.73" dur="5.19">horrible officer that we had a mutiny and got him fired and then the guy that>

< start="5137.92" dur="5.07">took over was the best guy ever and super humble gave us ownership I mean he>

< start="5142.99" dur="5.85">was just awesome but I learned probably as much from the>

< start="5148.84" dur="4.86">egotistical guy and seeing how we all reacted to him and seeing how we didn't>

< start="5153.7" dur="3.03">want to listen to him we didn't want to follow as I learned from the guy that>

< start="5156.73" dur="7.68">was a just fantastic leader sure so I look at you know hey here's here's I was>

< start="5164.41" dur="3.36">always pulling the good things from people but then also looking at people>

< start="5167.77" dur="3.15">with negative examples and saying okay I know not to act like that>

< start="5170.92" dur="4.89">the villains yeah that heroes you got to have villains and it's um and and I>

< start="5175.81" dur="3.12">guess the point of that chapter is is yeah to remind people of what some of>

< start="5178.93" dur="4.28">the good attributes are and and to then to cut and to think consciously about>

< start="5183.21" dur="5.02">identifying those attributes identifying yourself as the hero you want to be and>

< start="5188.23" dur="3.9">then living up to that so that's that's part of it but and but the broader>

< start="5192.13" dur="3.81">cultural conversation is the fact that outrage culture is>

< start="5195.94" dur="3.39">this product of the fact that we have we have started to looked at the wrong hero>

< start="5199.33" dur="4.52">archetypes we have started to elevate attributes that are not heroic at all>

< start="5203.85" dur="6.849">into a heroic reality and and it's it's not good and it's sort of that's the>

< start="5210.699" dur="3.301">second part of the chapter the wrong heroes and it's it's it's what we talked>

< start="5214" dur="6.06">about this aggrieved victim status the the loudest person on the internet the>

< start="5220.06" dur="4.02">snarky astone on the Internet the one owning the libs or the cons you know>

< start="5224.08" dur="4.98">it's like that one gets the most likes like it's its passion over>

< start="5229.06" dur="3.45">sophistication and these are not good things I understand that it's>

< start="5232.51" dur="4.74">entertaining right I understand the temptation especially on social media>

< start="5237.25" dur="4.199">but it's really detrimental to our larger conversation you know why should>

< start="5241.449" dur="3.961">the fists banging activists you know you know speaking truth to power whatever>

< start="5245.41" dur="4.59">the hell that means why should that be the person we listen to just because>

< start="5250" dur="6.54">they're mad like why why does anger beget some kind of credibility it>

< start="5256.54" dur="4.11">doesn't make any sense but that's how we're acting as a culture it doesn't>

< start="5260.65" dur="3.93">make any sense though and like I just want us to think through that I guess>

< start="5264.58" dur="5.389">the whole point of the chapter and we'd be better off if we started to kind of>

< start="5269.969" dur="5.111">rediscover the heroes that have gotten us through thousands of years of>

< start="5275.08" dur="4.139">civilization and again the oldest ideas are the best ones if people have been>

< start="5279.219" dur="3.451">talking about certain heroic attributes for thousands of years there's really>

< start="5282.67" dur="4.14">good chance those are good ideas because they've lasted and they've gone through>

< start="5286.81" dur="4.29">trial and error but but like every generation you know you got it fun when>

< start="5291.1" dur="4.889">you have to teach those they deals and and then as a young person you have to>

< start="5295.989" dur="5.041">stop and think maybe there's a reason it's like this maybe I'm not the first>

< start="5301.03" dur="5.939">one to think in revolutionary terms you know like just maybe okay there's a>

< start="5306.969" dur="4.321">reason your granddad is telling you it's this way and it's not because he's just>

< start="5311.29" dur="6.27">stupid and out of touch like just stop and like let's think about that as a>

< start="5317.56" dur="2.19">possibility yeah there's it's weird with this I>

< start="5319.75" dur="4.679">would love to try and trace back the roots of this because one thing I don't>

< start="5324.429" dur="2.431">want one time we were on this podcast we were talking about something and>

< start="5326.86" dur="5.71">somebody asked a question on a key and I basically what I said was and I>

< start="5332.57" dur="3.24">think you turned it into a clip echo Charles as I was saying like hey you>

< start="5335.81" dur="3.03">gotta stifle those emotions but don't let those emotions out what are you>

< start="5338.84" dur="5.55">kidding me like you can't let that show and the reaction from some people was>

< start="5344.39" dur="3.69">you know that's horrible you should never stifle your emotions>

< start="5348.08" dur="4.83">they'll that'll you be turns into these whatever the mental problems and all>

< start="5352.91" dur="6.84">this stuff and I'm like people took what I said to the extreme which clearly I>

< start="5359.75" dur="4.41">don't really believe in anything extreme that's why I wrote the book dichotomy of>

< start="5364.16" dur="4.35">leadership right extreme ownership yeah yeah yeah well well interestingly you>

< start="5368.51" dur="4.68">know extreme ownership can be taken too far and you can have people in>

< start="5373.19" dur="4.2">leadership positions that go to an extent where they want to own everything>

< start="5377.39" dur="4.65">and they don't decentralize so that's why we wrote the dichotomy of leadership>

< start="5382.04" dur="3.84">because you have to find balance in everything so with this idea of stifle>

< start="5385.88" dur="4.28">your emotions look oh if you lose a loved one I'm not saying you need to>

< start="5390.16" dur="5.32">write off the whole time right no and also as a leader in any position if>

< start="5395.48" dur="4.77">you're walking around completely stoic with no emotions you won't attack you>

< start="5400.25" dur="3.78">won't you won't you won't connect with anybody and so you don't have any>

< start="5404.03" dur="3.66">personal connections with anybody that's not a seal platoon if you're in a seal>

< start="5407.69" dur="2.85">platoon and you have no personal connection with your guys and your>

< start="5410.54" dur="2.85">platoon you're not a leader if they don't respect you they won't follow you>

< start="5413.39" dur="3.3">and I've seen that kind of leader yeah absolutely doesn't work it doesn't work>

< start="5416.69" dur="4.74">so when I say stifle your emotions I'm talking about your little petty emotions>

< start="5421.43" dur="2.91">that your guests spawn up about something yeah that's what I'm talking>

< start="5424.34" dur="2.52">about and you know and especially in my>

< start="5426.86" dur="4.98">business and like politics it's like you realize quickly you've got to define>

< start="5431.84" dur="4.44">what you mean in very clear terms because everybody's first reaction is to>

< start="5436.28" dur="4.74">totally take it out of context or or just assume the worst of what you meant>

< start="5441.02" dur="4.2">assume the worst of intentions I go into the great amount of detail about this in>

< start="5445.22" dur="3.66">the book too because that that's that's a that's a big marker of outrage>

< start="5448.88" dur="5.67">cultures this does need this like desire to be like just assume the worst of what>

< start="5454.55" dur="3.12">you meant Oh stifle my emotions oh okay just walk>

< start="5457.67" dur="2.49">around like robots of course that's not what you meant>

< start="5460.16" dur="4.05">you know like let's let's be gracious with how we understand each other just>

< start="5464.21" dur="6.27">like just a just a tad would be a lot better off next chapter it's called no>

< start="5470.48" dur="5.52">plan B which is you know got a little counterintuitive sound to it because as>

< start="5476" dur="3.03">a seal and as a human being you're always like oh you know gotta have a>

< start="5479.03" dur="3.06">plan B in case something goes wrong here's your premise behind behind this>

< start="5482.09" dur="3.69">you don't entertain the plan B option because when you do your entertaining>

< start="5485.78" dur="5.76">failure and in entertaining failure you will embrace it ultimately the no plan B>

< start="5491.54" dur="3.54">mentality isn't about keeping you from doing something rather it's about>

< start="5495.08" dur="6.06">embracing a positive goal as your only choice it's about enabling you to do>

< start="5501.14" dur="4.89">something it's about clearing the path to your goals to your achievements to>

< start="5506.03" dur="6.99">your tasks and your responsibilities so you're explain your idea behind no no>

< start="5513.02" dur="5.67">Plan B so this this started out as I was thinking about how not to quit at Budds>

< start="5518.69" dur="3.87">and and whenever any time I'd ever been asked that question I would simply say>

< start="5522.56" dur="3.42">well because I never had a choice because I just didn't think about buds>

< start="5525.98" dur="3.81">as a choice I didn't think about it as an achievement that I would you know>

< start="5529.79" dur="4.08">hopefully make it was just like okay I just have to do this because that's just>

< start="5533.87" dur="4.26">I just have to you know and like and I think most of us who made it through>

< start="5538.13" dur="3.75">buds yeah just had that mentality like okay just I just have to do another boat>

< start="5541.88" dur="4.23">race and man this really sucks like I really hate this but I just I>

< start="5546.11" dur="3.93">just I don't have a choice you know like it's there's no other option there's>

< start="5550.04" dur="4.02">something liberating about that mentality it's the only mentality you>

< start="5554.06" dur="3.84">can have and it is truly a no plan B mentality so and I'm very Anna and I>

< start="5557.9" dur="3">explained that in the book I'm like I don't mean no contingencies obviously>

< start="5560.9" dur="7.77">you have to plan ahead but no plan B is fundamentally about not quitting and not>

< start="5568.67" dur="3.99">quitting needs to be defined rather carefully you know and i and i point out>

< start="5572.66" dur="5.28">like changing directions in life could seem like quitting it's not necessarily>

< start="5577.94" dur="5.58">like you're not a good artist just stop it's just not good it's time>

< start="5583.52" dur="6.69">to change directions man you know and that's okay like that's that's okay that>

< start="5590.21" dur="3.779">doesn't like you know it's and then I go into much deeper converse>

< start="5593.989" dur="4.591">about living with purpose ultimately what I mean by living your plan a and>

< start="5598.58" dur="7.159">not living your Plan B it is about living with purpose and purpose is>

< start="5605.739" dur="5.111">something only you can tell really if you're living up to it or not it's hard>

< start="5610.85" dur="4.44">to tell from the outside but you know you know if you quit like you know if>

< start="5615.29" dur="6.24">you just didn't do the right thing to live up to your end goal and and and and>

< start="5621.53" dur="3.51">execute the millions of smaller tasks that you need to execute to live up to>

< start="5625.04" dur="5.28">your end goal and I think this is also the chapter where I really go into some>

< start="5630.32" dur="5.58">deeper discussions about one of my favorite quotes from Saint John Paul or>

< start="5635.9" dur="5.13">Pope John Paul the second which is in America freedom is is it's not the right>

< start="5641.03" dur="4.29">to do what you want but to but to what the freedom to do what you ought or I'm>

< start="5645.32" dur="5.13">screwing up that quote a little bit but the point is this you live with ordered>

< start="5650.45" dur="4.58">Liberty ordered Liberty means we live with a purpose we have with freedom and>

< start="5655.03" dur="4.24">with that freedom we have a responsibility to live as we ought to>

< start="5659.27" dur="4.11">live and then we have to define okay what is living how we ought to live like>

< start="5663.38" dur="3.75">that's a whole other discussion this is why religion is so important this is why>

< start="5667.13" dur="3.51">religion is such an important foundation our judeo-christian history is a very>

< start="5670.64" dur="4.079">important foundation of our culture even if you don't believe in God you have to>

< start="5674.719" dur="8.071">admit that we get our morality from this place from the Ten Commandments and that>

< start="5682.79" dur="6.66">matters like it matters in a really deep way and I'm a Rhino are kind of that>

< start="5689.45" dur="3.96">sense of absolute morality and where our laws come from and where this is where>

< start="5693.41" dur="3.78">this notion comes from of what it is to do the right thing like how do you>

< start="5697.19" dur="5.04">define the right thing again we've already talked about this if it's based>

< start="5702.23" dur="3.36">on thousands of years of wisdom and trial and error there's a good chance>

< start="5705.59" dur="4.879">that it's right okay not a guaranteed chance but there's a really good chance>

< start="5710.469" dur="5.981">even if it doesn't feel good or doesn't feel nice and compassionate it's real>

< start="5716.45" dur="4.5">and it creates a sustainable Society and ultimately sustainable societies are>

< start="5720.95" dur="6.06">should be our end goal now I'll check out rage culture is is counter to a>

< start="5727.01" dur="3">sustainable xiety it is it is chaos manifested in>

< start="5730.01" dur="6.45">our our words and our actions yeah the you say here pure freedom is>

< start="5736.46" dur="3.6">chaos anarchy and moral decay freedom to do what you like without any moral>

< start="5740.06" dur="4.05">compass can quickly result in the temptation to indulge in habits that may>

< start="5744.11" dur="3.629">feel good momentarily but are wholly detrimental to yourself and others pure>

< start="5747.739" dur="3.861">freedom detached from a higher sense of purpose results in at best in>

< start="5751.6" dur="4.42">overindulgence lack of discipline unfaithful relationships and some drug>

< start="5756.02" dur="6.9">use at worst they can result in the total deterioration of a society and and>

< start="5762.92" dur="5.28">you know this is I think it was actually Jason Gardner went before he was out of>

< start="5768.2" dur="4.2">the teams but he he was listening to podcast he was you hear me talk about I>

< start="5772.4" dur="4.2">think he's heard me talk about the gulags or or just something and he goes>

< start="5776.6" dur="4.29">hey discipline equals freedom that applies to societies - doesn't it I'm>

< start="5780.89" dur="4.26">like yes it does if you have total freedom everyone do it whichever you>

< start="5785.15" dur="5.339">want well then you you you're destroyed and you end up a slave - well you end up>

< start="5790.489" dur="3.75">a slave to any number of things whereas if you have discipline inside of a>

< start="5794.239" dur="3.931">society which is called law and order and you follow those rules well then you>

< start="5798.17" dur="3.45">actually end up with more freedom which is what we try to do here in discipline>

< start="5801.62" dur="4.23">equals freedom is the simplest way of putting that because it's it's very true>

< start="5805.85" dur="9.27">and if it's been true for a very long time it's indeed indeed a next chapter>

< start="5815.12" dur="3.6">again I'm jumping forward to your next chapter this is the Challenger if we've>

< start="5818.72" dur="3.15">got to read the book yeah they want more absolutely a lot more in there there's>

< start="5821.87" dur="8.04">there's a ton and you know you do I you you give a lot of almost academic level>

< start="5829.91" dur="4.2">back up so you give some like common sense stuff you give some academic can>

< start="5834.11" dur="4.17">you talk about the psychology psychology cool viewpoint of things some historical>

< start="5838.28" dur="4.14">references you do a great job of balancing out what you're saying and>

< start="5842.42" dur="7.65">showing multiple examples from different aspects so that's why there's that's why>

< start="5850.07" dur="5.37">the book you have to read the book to get all that information the next one is>

< start="5855.44" dur="5.279">called be still I got to read this little section in the SEAL Teams>

< start="5860.719" dur="4.891">our first exercise in training the mind to be still is drown proofing and yes it>

< start="5865.61" dur="5.43">is it is ridiculous as it sounds as legend has it and it may indeed just be>

< start="5871.04" dur="4.949">legend drown proofing originates from the story of an American POWs Vietnam as>

< start="5875.989" dur="4.5">the Vietcong transported him along the Mekong River they decided they'd have>

< start="5880.489" dur="4.281">enough had enough of him and threw him overboard but this was not some>

< start="5884.77" dur="4.99">magnanimous gesture of human civility he was not being released for good behavior>

< start="5889.76" dur="4.439">they expected him to drown it was reasonable expectation his hands were>

< start="5894.199" dur="4.591">tied behind his back and his feet were tied together visualize that for a for a>

< start="5898.79" dur="1.83">second this creates quite the predicament>

< start="5900.62" dur="4.23">especially when you are trying not to drown he had to figure out how to swim>

< start="5904.85" dur="3.54">to shore and as the story goes he did just that ever since then a key element>

< start="5908.39" dur="6.21">of seal training involves drown proofing us making sure that we too can jump from>

< start="5914.6" dur="4.02">a boat with our hands and feet tied and then you go over the multiple ways to do>

< start="5918.62" dur="6">this and you say here to do this it requires that you do not panic>

< start="5924.62" dur="7.65">while instructors are yelling don't panic and and that's you know you talked>

< start="5932.27" dur="5.19">about that as being sort of one of your first lessons and learning how to be>

< start="5937.46" dur="5.69">calm and not freak out about stuff it's it's it's such a necessary part of>

< start="5943.15" dur="5.62">military training and drown proofing is an excellent way to do it not not>

< start="5948.77" dur="3.6">because we actually think that might happen like how I'm lucky would that be>

< start="5952.37" dur="4.079">that'd be unlucky or lucky and it's like wow okay you like is just like training>

< start="5956.449" dur="2.911">you know they put a weight on you though you're screwed or you know there's a lot>

< start="5959.36" dur="3.48">of ways to tie you up anyway I'm not the point the point is not that you're>

< start="5962.84" dur="2.58">preparing for this specific eventualities>

< start="5965.42" dur="5.13">the point is is that you you have a set of skills and you better implement those>

< start="5970.55" dur="5.16">skills while the fear of drowning is all around you and of course it gets worse>

< start="5975.71" dur="6.48">than the drown proofing gets into dive comp or pool compco which is my it's>

< start="5982.19" dur="4.83">probably my least favorite thing in buds when I got to buds I had no idea what it>

< start="5987.02" dur="4.32">was they had a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie poster up but it had>

< start="5991.34" dur="3.81">it was crossed out and said buds pool caught Massacre and they had like drown>

< start="5995.15" dur="6.21">a regulator on a person getting murdered by Leatherface yes yeah so I was like>

< start="6001.36" dur="4.47">well I wonder what that is but yeah sure enough sounds great yeah sign me up you>

< start="6005.83" dur="6.09">know uh I think like yeah I felt poke on my first my first go at pool cop I>

< start="6011.92" dur="5.67">failed and I was recycled to the next class no I mean I know how we I got to>

< start="6017.59" dur="2.759">retest again on Monday so I'm cool comp on Friday>

< start="6020.349" dur="4.02">yeah and we got retested on Monday if we failed I failed okay well yeah I mean I>

< start="6024.369" dur="7.531">feel first very rarely very really through the first time yeah I was not>

< start="6031.9" dur="2.88">happy what's welcome pool comp is they put an>

< start="6034.78" dur="4.859">old-school dive rig on you so like the old-school scuba tanks and this thing>

< start="6039.639" dur="3.841">called the what's it called a dual hose regulator I think there's a hose that>

< start="6043.48" dur="4.65">comes in that brings the air and there's one that you blow out and they put you>

< start="6048.13" dur="3.96">down on the bottom of the pool and they just start to just mess with you they>

< start="6052.09" dur="3.779">rip your regulator or the rip your mask off and then they start tying knots in>

< start="6055.869" dur="3.391">your regulator that you have to then untie underwater and you have to follow>

< start="6059.26" dur="3.149">all these proper procedures to get everything back on meanwhile they're>

< start="6062.409" dur="3.991">slapping you in the head they're grinding your face into the thing into>

< start="6066.4" dur="6.029">the pool deck and it's it sucks and eventually they tie something called a>

< start="6072.429" dur="4.71">whammy knot which is a knot that you can't get out and so they tie this>

< start="6077.139" dur="3.391">whammy knot and then you have to go the proper ditching procedures which means>

< start="6080.53" dur="3.3">you take your rig completely off you try you have to attempt to get it to work if>

< start="6083.83" dur="3.21">you can't get it to work you take off your weight belt you lay it>

< start="6087.04" dur="3.72">over your rig and then you look at your instructor you give them the thumbs up>

< start="6090.76" dur="5.25">and then you do a proper free swim or ascent and if you mess up any of you and>

< start="6096.01" dur="4.08">there's procedures for everything if you mess them up then you fail so but it's>

< start="6100.09" dur="6.259">it dude it's it's it's no joke like they come out and freaking hammer you yeah>

< start="6106.349" dur="5.441">and they always they always get you as you have exhaled so yeah they're>

< start="6111.79" dur="4.74">watching the bubbles wave in the way they've called a surf hit mmm like so>

< start="6116.53" dur="4.649">they're simulating this wave this amazingly complex wave that somehow ties>

< start="6121.179" dur="4.96">your hoses and it's like isn't true that's not real>

< start="6126.139" dur="3.63">okay like there's no wave like that but it's not the point you know it's it's>

< start="6129.769" dur="2.64">same with drown proofing that the point is not to prepare you for this>

< start="6132.409" dur="3.48">eventualities there is no way in hell that your hoses will ever be tied in>

< start="6135.889" dur="2.4">knots mostly because you'll never use a rig>

< start="6138.289" dur="4.98">like this that actually can be tied in knots because this rig is not it's it's>

< start="6143.269" dur="4.02">just for training so that's not the point into the point is the procedures>

< start="6147.289" dur="4.89">the point is you're drowning will you still calm yourself and work>

< start="6152.179" dur="4.74">through procedures that's the entire point of the exercise if you panic you>

< start="6156.919" dur="3.9">are going to fail and there's physiological reasons for that because>

< start="6160.819" dur="4.26">you're using more objects freaking out and there's psychological reasons and>

< start="6165.079" dur="3.48">they're just the instructor these instructors are seals they don't want a>

< start="6168.559" dur="3.18">guy in the teams that's gonna be on a dive with them that's gonna freak out if>

< start="6171.739" dur="3.72">something goes wrong because stuff goes wrong when you're diving yeah so that>

< start="6175.459" dur="5.25">that T you know from your perspective was a was a the initial recognition of>

< start="6180.709" dur="8.01">like hey I better be calm right be still as you say and yeah the reason I say be>

< start="6188.719" dur="4.77">still because I was thinking of the patrolling acronym that we use locals>

< start="6193.489" dur="5.37">yep no stop look listen smell mm-hmm and that's that's exactly what it sounds>

< start="6198.859" dur="3.33">like you stop because you've you've you've done something to in the>

< start="6202.189" dur="3.69">environment maybe you landed with a helicopter and that's actually you know>

< start="6205.879" dur="2.67">I don't want to give too much away in the book but there's a really great>

< start="6208.549" dur="5.91">intro to this chapter everybody you got to buy it and know what it is and so you>

< start="6214.459" dur="4.89">stop and you you you've created a disturbance so stop and look around just>

< start="6219.349" dur="2.88">chill and look around and then keep moving>

< start="6222.229" dur="4.35">that's sills sills we just that's what we say and as a patrolling tactic it>

< start="6226.579" dur="4.32">also kind of sounds like still and it's kind of the same meaning same oh yeah>

< start="6230.899" dur="2.01">for sure that's why I named the chapter be still>

< start="6232.909" dur="6.99">there and and then you apply that to your life because I I understand that>

< start="6239.899" dur="3.8">not everybody is going to be thrown overboard with their hands and feet tied>

< start="6243.699" dur="4.42">but if you are I go in a great detail about how to overcome that particular>

< start="6248.119" dur="5.04">predicament it is yeah there's a lot of methodology there it's much easier than>

< start="6253.159" dur="7.021">you think as long as you don't panic so and uh it'll this is another chapter>

< start="6260.18" dur="2.91">called do something hard so hey you know what you do something art could be drown>

< start="6263.09" dur="6.69">proofing and everybody can do this do it with a buddy though we're not sure>

< start="6269.78" dur="3.48">that's the worst thing one up one down luckily it's hard to tie your own hands>

< start="6273.26" dur="6.87">behind your back without a buddy so the the point is this it's again old lessons>

< start="6280.13" dur="4.05">count to 10 before you react but that's fundamentally what this chapters about>

< start="6284.18" dur="6.81">and we have a had a habit lately given the given the extreme nature of our kind>

< start="6290.99" dur="4.2">of immediate gratification that occurs with social media to react very quickly>

< start="6295.19" dur="6.39">and wildly about things our media reacts unbelievably quickly and wildly about>

< start="6301.58" dur="5.31">things and it is it is a disservice to our country it is I mean I that's an>

< start="6306.89" dur="4.23">extreme statement but it is true and has gotten out of hand and it's it's so bad>

< start="6311.12" dur="4.38">that I felt the need to write this book our media does it but we're but again>

< start="6315.5" dur="5.28">their media is feeding off of us we have to do better as individuals we have to>

< start="6320.78" dur="5.7">to say like that's not going to work on me you know that extent that that quick>

< start="6326.48" dur="3.81">over-the-top reaction is not going to work on me I'm not gonna do it I'm not>

< start="6330.29" dur="4.35">gonna feed into it I'm not gonna reward it that's that's our duty you have to>

< start="6334.64" dur="5.49">not click on clickbait headlines yeah well I mean I can't help myself I'm>

< start="6340.13" dur="4.44">gonna click on the click but I'm not gonna react to it right yeah you know it>

< start="6344.57" dur="3.33">even for good practice go ahead and click on it see if it makes you mad and>

< start="6347.9" dur="5.28">if it does do it again it's incredible when you click on a click same article>

< start="6353.18" dur="5.52">and I'm talking mainstream news media and you go oh my gosh I can't believe>

< start="6358.7" dur="3.03">that happened and you click on it you're like wait a sec yeah that's not what>

< start="6361.73" dur="3.6">happened I just got click baited don't let it>

< start="6365.33" dur="5.04">happen and the problem is actually the problem is is that people don't click>

< start="6370.37" dur="4.59">the problem is oh they're just really yeah and I go into the flooded detail on>

< start="6374.96" dur="3.06">that actually I give some example I could give examples every single day I>

< start="6378.02" dur="7.23">just kind of chose some random ones for the book but an example might be the>

< start="6385.25" dur="4.26">examples I use in the book are regarding something like environmental regulations>

< start="6389.51" dur="3.179">because this is a very motion topic for people when you hear the Trump>

< start="6392.689" dur="5.821">administration repealed 12 Obama era environmental regulations here's what>

< start="6398.51" dur="2.719">you're thinking and be honest this is what you're thinking you're thinking>

< start="6401.229" dur="5.29">black Gore Green sludge losing into a river you're thinking black smoke like>

< start="6406.519" dur="4.41">emanating from a factory all of a sudden while you know these corporate fat cats>

< start="6410.929" dur="3.3">count their money and birds are falling out of the sky like this is what you're>

< start="6414.229" dur="4.08">thinking if you're being like this is the visualization that occurs but is it>

< start="6418.309" dur="4.8">true nobody asks the second question is it true yeah what does this actually>

< start="6423.109" dur="5.191">mean or what does it mean or like why would they deregulate that you know what>

< start="6428.3" dur="4.829">why was it put in place just a few years ago you know I mean what kind of>

< start="6433.129" dur="3.98">regulation was it you know is there a good reason for and then I go into>

< start="6437.109" dur="4.63">basically a case study on something called new source regulation and we>

< start="6441.739" dur="3.09">don't have to talk about it now but it's it's I basically write a case study on>

< start="6444.829" dur="3.99">this because it's important like there's there's there's good examples and>

< start="6448.819" dur="3.75">there's and there's the there's in the headline about that particular>

< start="6452.569" dur="6.75">regulation basically said you know Trump is removing air pollution regulations so>

< start="6459.319" dur="3.39">again your mind goes to those places I just talked about the article itself>

< start="6462.709" dur="3.45">kind of gives both sides like actually not a bad article and this is usually>

< start="6466.159" dur="3.81">the case and my experience because I you know do this every day and my experience>

< start="6469.969" dur="5.46">the the writer the journalist is not always but a lot of times like actually>

< start="6475.429" dur="3.84">kind of gives a balanced article but the editorialized headline is terrible>

< start="6479.269" dur="5.88">totally misleading you know that their own article debunks the headline and>

< start="6485.149" dur="2.49">you're like what the hell is going on here okay>

< start="6487.639" dur="3.45">now a lot of that's oftentimes because the journalist is not the one writing>

< start="6491.089" dur="6">the header okay so that's it's a whole different story and then you look into>

< start="6497.089" dur="3.211">it right and it's like okay well it turns out yeah they want to they want to>

< start="6500.3" dur="5.129">make it easier for factories to to update their systems or power generation>

< start="6505.429" dur="3">plans to update their systems they don't want to have them go through this new>

< start="6508.429" dur="5.18">source review regulation which is extremely costly and unpredictable and>

< start="6513.609" dur="3.31">environmentalists say well that's just Kadesh you're just given giving away to>

< start="6516.919" dur="3.9">corporations right you're deregulating them but it's like well no as it turns>

< start="6520.819" dur="6.061">out if you want to put a carbon capture addition to your power plant which means>

< start="6526.88" dur="5.46">capturing more pollutants or carbon dioxide then you can you have to go>

< start="6532.34" dur="4.92">through this extremely costly new source review well maybe we should stop that>

< start="6537.26" dur="3.87">you know thinking that's and that's the background you know any I go to can go>

< start="6541.13" dur="4.17">to a lot more detail on that but just one example I can think of an example>

< start="6545.3" dur="4.38">almost every single day like the headline just isn't what you think>

< start="6549.68" dur="6.99">you know let's let's let's bring it back to coronavirus so the headline is you>

< start="6556.67" dur="3.54">know the Trump administration screwed up the coronavirus tests like South Korea>

< start="6560.21" dur="5.76">is testing 20,000 people a day and we've only done like you know 10,000 tests or>

< start="6565.97" dur="2.94">something and by the time you're listening to this podcast that reality>

< start="6568.91" dur="4.5">has changed drastically but in our current moment that's what happened in>

< start="6573.41" dur="2.7">the last couple months and there's some truth to that like the America was>

< start="6576.11" dur="5.19">behind on tests but who's actually at fault ask the question right and then>

< start="6581.3" dur="5.82">look into the answer from some different sources the truth is FDA never approved>

< start="6587.12" dur="3.27">any South Korean test for all we know those tests aren't very high quality>

< start="6590.39" dur="3.99">there's different kinds of tests you know they might give false positives or>

< start="6594.38" dur="3.36">false negatives that stuff matters when you're trying to control an epidemic you>

< start="6597.74" dur="4.44">know it would be easy to just by the South Korean test we don't do that not>

< start="6602.18" dur="2.55">because Trump said we don't want to do it not because Trump isn't taking it>

< start="6604.73" dur="2.55">seriously hell it's not even Obama okay it's>

< start="6607.28" dur="4.98">actually none of their fault it's just our system okay our system is in there>

< start="6612.26" dur="3.63">for a reason like we have a very strict system from>

< start="6615.89" dur="4.05">the FDA on what kind of tests can be used for stuff like this>

< start="6619.94" dur="6.21">now that exists for a decent reason for instance if people remember the I think>

< start="6626.15" dur="6.03">it's called fairness the the lady who has sake the cancer that's absolutely>

< start="6632.18" dur="7.23">called theros yeah no I tracked on that time because there's a is a very>

< start="6639.41" dur="3.84">interesting case that oh yeah we're in the corporate yeah for about a million>

< start="6643.25" dur="3.63">different reasons it's a really interesting case story and just that>

< start="6646.88" dur="4.61">fake the cancer treatment or wasn't just cancer it was like hey you can identify>

< start="6651.49" dur="3.52">literally hundreds and hundreds of problems that you could have medically>

< start="6655.01" dur="4.76">from a single pinprick of right which is just just completely not>

< start="6659.77" dur="5.76">true not true just not true now going into more detail that particular lab was>

< start="6665.53" dur="5.51">federally regulated and qualified under a certain type of regulation through CMS>

< start="6671.04" dur="5.079">but they but not through the FDA's regulations>

< start="6676.119" dur="4.29">okay so eventually they work all right and that's what it's for like that's>

< start="6680.409" dur="5.641">what the regulation is for so it's still annoying right it we should have more>

< start="6686.05" dur="4.74">tests for the coronavirus available but our system was not designed to make that>

< start="6690.79" dur="3.51">happen quickly it should have been I'm not saying there's not room for some>

< start="6694.3" dur="3.99">lessons learned here and some change and we will make those changes actually the>

< start="6698.29" dur="5.46">administration frankly already has so but the only way to do it is to get the>

< start="6703.75" dur="3.449">private sector involved and to give them the flexibility to do the test and then>

< start="6707.199" dur="3.63">to and then to streamline the FDA's testing of that test so that we know>

< start="6710.829" dur="4.971">it's actually a decent test you know there was this the point is right like>

< start="6715.8" dur="8.56">stop and think and and wonder be curious like is is it true that a test is just a>

< start="6724.36" dur="3.54">test like of course not like there's all different types some SWAT you know I>

< start="6727.9" dur="3.48">mean it's summer lab some of our test kits like somewhere more accurate than>

< start="6731.38" dur="5.279">others like that is it possible that it's more complicated than the headline>

< start="6736.659" dur="5.611">is telling you is is it possible ittle bit possible you know and and again when>

< start="6742.27" dur="3.119">I say the media does is such a disservice it's because it's so you know>

< start="6745.389" dur="3.391">you should have somewhat of a combative media against government it's you know>

< start="6748.78" dur="5.49">that their their point is a check and balance against government but you would>

< start="6754.27" dur="4.619">hope that their purpose would be to educate and that I believe that has>

< start="6758.889" dur="2.761">changed radically I believe they don't longer view it as>

< start="6761.65" dur="6.449">there is their duty to educate the public it's they they only see>

< start="6768.099" dur="6.241">confrontation as their duty and I don't find that to be a good service to the>

< start="6774.34" dur="4.16">American people I would say that is an accurate>

< start="6778.5" dur="4.26">statement the news does that or has been doing that a lot though even like>

< start="6782.76" dur="3.93">regular local news they do that where they land but it's not you don't click>

< start="6786.69" dur="5.64">on it but it's the same concept when they say your is your cell phone killing>

< start="6792.33" dur="4.83">you yeah more at 11 you know so it's like that's the fake right there>

< start="6797.16" dur="3.99">they've been doing that for a long time yeah and then yeah then you then you>

< start="6801.15" dur="4.92">listen to it cuz you're like yeah I listen to it and then it's like oh yeah>

< start="6806.07" dur="3.96">you know someone who dropped their cell phone and it like made them you know do>

< start="6810.03" dur="3.35">something they killed turns out to be like totally innocuous yeah yeah>

< start="6813.38" dur="7.54">debunked the headline speaking of headlines next chapter sweat the small>

< start="6820.92" dur="4.53">stuff this chapter this is the chapter where I gave you permission to complain>

< start="6825.45" dur="3.27">permission to moan and groan about the nitty gritty small but annoying>

< start="6828.72" dur="3.72">ankle-biting inconveniences we face in our everyday lives>

< start="6832.44" dur="3.87">permission to gripe about even your smallest troubles grumble about long>

< start="6836.31" dur="4.17">lines at the drive-through and whine about the imperfect weather I'm actually>

< start="6840.48" dur="4.71">going to encourage it you're welcome okay don't thank me yet there are>

< start="6845.19" dur="4.65">certain ground rules one sweating the small stuff is okay but exercise your>

< start="6849.84" dur="4.74">complaints lightheartedly seek out humor and your whining be humble be self-aware>

< start="6854.58" dur="4.62">too if you're all if you allow yourself to sweat the small stuff and I think you>

< start="6859.2" dur="6.09">should then you must also force yourself to be detail-oriented three if you allow>

< start="6865.29" dur="3.449">yourself to sweat the small stuff then you must try your hardest not to sweat>

< start="6868.739" dur="5.341">the big stuff what are you talking about here what actually kind of goes back to>

< start="6874.08" dur="6.24">what you got a IIIi just restrain myself from moving to this chapter when you set>

< start="6880.32" dur="4.02">it before when you when you got a bunch of criticism right for saying don't be>

< start="6884.34" dur="4.17">emotional about stuff mm-hmm and people are like well if you can't>

< start="6888.51" dur="5.61">tell me that and that makes them emotional ironically but but in your in>

< start="6894.12" dur="5.49">your reaction was okay I'm not saying be a robot you know I'm just saying like>

< start="6899.61" dur="4.26">don't let it get the best of you and so I really wanted to be oh my god it's>

< start="6903.87" dur="4.05">like my chapter about sweating the small stuff because because every time you're>

< start="6907.92" dur="2.62">told you know oh don't sweat the small stuff and I'm like>

< start="6910.54" dur="5.7">oh I don't know about that I think there's some venting that has to occur>

< start="6916.24" dur="7.65">and and I think we take it a little too far in the SEAL Teams oh yeah I mean we>

< start="6923.89" dur="4.41">complain about the smallest of things but there's like it but I and I examined>

< start="6928.3" dur="4.32">that like this chapters about examining that truth why do we do that are we a>

< start="6932.62" dur="5.82">bunch of divas yes yes but that is then that is true two things not is>

< start="6938.44" dur="5.37">affirmative that things can be true at once we can be divas but there's also a>

< start="6943.81" dur="5.67">deeper reason and value to it as long as you do it right and I try to exact I>

< start="6949.48" dur="4.32">really examine that carefully in this chapter about what the right way is to>

< start="6953.8" dur="4.68">complain and like I try to set some ground rules like be funny being funny>

< start="6958.48" dur="5.4">is a decent way to do things it can't be too serious like there's a difference>

< start="6963.88" dur="5.49">between complaining about how crappy the coffee is at the command and complaining>

< start="6969.37" dur="5.16">about the actual command atmosphere to your guys there's there's a big>

< start="6974.53" dur="2.82">difference as from a leadership perspective there's a difference there>

< start="6977.35" dur="5.82">like one can be kind of funny and just like yeah stupid whatever coffees crap>

< start="6983.17" dur="4.08">and the building's stupid or whatever like the same things people the gym>

< start="6987.25" dur="4.02">isn't hard enough there's not enough weight cuz I'm stronger than whatever>

< start="6991.27" dur="5.13">you know typical dumb team guy complaints there's a difference a leader>

< start="6996.4" dur="3.75">so legitimate complaints though yes especially ya know I complain all the>

< start="7000.15" dur="9.81">time like oh guess we're at a 45 pound plates you know my deadlift but uh the>

< start="7009.96" dur="3.27">as big as a leader especially the big difference between that and being like>

< start="7013.23" dur="4.23">our CEO is messed up yeah that's that's this is one of the things I talk about>

< start="7017.46" dur="5.58">leadership strategy and tactics is like if you are just whitewashing everything>

< start="7023.04" dur="5.55">this coffee is fantastic and it sucks you your guys are starting to look at>

< start="7028.59" dur="2.76">you going okay where does nothing real here you're not real and you think that>

< start="7031.35" dur="2.73">you you're not question you're not pushing back against anything>

< start="7034.08" dur="4.38">however like you said if you come down and you say our commanding officer is an>

< start="7038.46" dur="3.279">idiot that's gonna be problematic so you got a>

< start="7041.739" dur="4.051">you got to be careful about what you're complaining about tools to your point>

< start="7045.79" dur="4.38">complaining forms some level of bond right that's one of the things that we>

< start="7050.17" dur="3.989">do in the teams like we're gonna complain about the the freakin birthing>

< start="7054.159" dur="3.031">that we have and the this that the other thing it's like okay cool cuz we're all>

< start="7057.19" dur="1.409">on the same team we're all complaining about it>

< start="7058.599" dur="4.921">but if somebody starts complaining about things that matter mm-hmm at a more>

< start="7063.52" dur="4.71">strategic level now we got a problem the other part of the don't sweat this or>

< start="7068.23" dur="3.27">the sweat the small stuff mentality is the detail-oriented part this is really>

< start="7071.5" dur="3.329">important because one being detail detail-oriented is an element of>

< start="7074.829" dur="6">fortitude I would argue I think rather effectively and I wrapped it into this>

< start="7080.829" dur="4.051">chapter though and you could probably wrap the detail-oriented mindset into>

< start="7084.88" dur="3.179">many of the lessons in this chapter but I put it into this one because if you're>

< start="7088.059" dur="2.731">sweating the small stuff then by definition you are concerned about small>

< start="7090.79" dur="5.789">things and it's not self-evident to me that being so chillax about all the>

< start="7096.579" dur="5.341">stuff is a virtue and we sometimes see that as a virtue like like the big and I>

< start="7101.92" dur="4.949">know like the dude from The Big Lebowski that guy doesn't care about anything but>

< start="7106.869" dur="4.051">it's that girl other than bowling and White Russians he was pretty passionate>

< start="7110.92" dur="5.759">about those things that is true occasion area but um but you know it's like you>

< start="7116.679" dur="3.75">know you're you bet that that cool kid in high school who just like let's>

< start="7120.429" dur="3.361">everything we're all off their back you know it's like the cool surfer dude I I>

< start="7123.79" dur="3.389">got it there is I'm not saying there's no value in that but it's not>

< start="7127.179" dur="3.991">self-evident to me that that's what we should aspire to because it's not>

< start="7131.17" dur="5.67">obvious to me that that there are highly productive people maybe they are not>

< start="7136.84" dur="5.009">saying they can't be but if you're not concerned with small things there's a>

< start="7141.849" dur="3.421">pretty decent chance you're not concerned about bigger questions in life>

< start="7145.27" dur="4.949">about bigger elements of personal responsibility or you might not be that>

< start="7150.219" dur="5.46">motivated to to move up the hierarchy that we talked about and so being>

< start="7155.679" dur="4.741">concerned with the small stuff is is a habit it's an Aristotelian in the>

< start="7160.42" dur="4.259">Aristotelian sense we build good habits that that are that are meant for a>

< start="7164.679" dur="4.65">higher purpose that's what makes them make good have it we do it because it is>

< start="7169.329" dur="4.001">good and so that's the deeper thing here yeah>

< start="7173.33" dur="3.9">playing a little bit like like especially you know on the way I'm away>

< start="7177.23" dur="7.56">here we're going down as at midway Drive mm-hmm and San Diego has often had this>

< start="7184.79" dur="3.66">problem and I've complained about it for a very long time which is that the>

< start="7188.45" dur="4.29">lights are not synchronized they're not synchronized for traffic flow the way>

< start="7192.74" dur="4.17">like New York City is in Manhattan those are well synchronized lights one of my>

< start="7196.91" dur="3.36">biggest pet peeves is the lights are not synchronized because it's it's a>

< start="7200.27" dur="5.1">solvable problem might into just synchronize the lights mm-hmm you know>

< start="7205.37" dur="6.84">as a city manager or a mayor Robert over at the system is and it's like as I was>

< start="7212.21" dur="4.53">going from red light to red light trying to get to the Jacko's podcast because I>

< start="7216.74" dur="4.49">cannot be late because I just wrote in my book that I gave him don't be late>

< start="7221.23" dur="9.91">that was funny I was like these damn red lights you know and so my wife is like I>

< start="7231.14" dur="2.58">am so sick of hearing you complain about that where she's like she hates this>

< start="7233.72" dur="3.09">chapter because she's she's so used to the seal team culture>

< start="7236.81" dur="3.81">she's like why'd you even write this like don't encourage this I'm like I am>

< start="7240.62" dur="3.12">trying to encourage it to the right extent you know and because it is I am>

< start="7243.74" dur="5.31">walking a fine line for sure and we're trying to we're trying to reverse some>

< start="7249.05" dur="4.56">some commonly held beliefs and it was a fun chapter to write it was one of my>

< start="7253.61" dur="3.78">favorite yeah and obviously you just met me that dichotomy of this is if you get>

< start="7257.39" dur="3.57">so focused on little things than you are wasting your time you know you're>

< start="7260.96" dur="7.19">wasting your time the the Matt's on my personal home gym my are dirty and>

< start="7268.15" dur="4.78">people say your that's you need to clean your mats what kind of discipline is>

< start="7272.93" dur="3.75">that I'm like look I would have to spend an hour a day clean those mats to make>

< start="7276.68" dur="4.44">them look clean maybe even more than that I don't I don't care>

< start="7281.12" dur="4.71">it's my garage gym there's chalk on the floor and sweat yeah that's the way it>

< start="7285.83" dur="3.78">is I'm not worried about it yeah and that's that's a really good>

< start="7289.61" dur="5.49">point too and it's it's well it makes especially make sense in the in the>

< start="7295.1" dur="4.56">context of the dichotomy right right balance and like and I'm and I and I>

< start="7299.66" dur="3.24">hope that what I write there helps people understand that there is a>

< start="7302.9" dur="4.26">balance you know it's it's don't it's it's it's it's operating in>

< start="7307.16" dur="5.46">gray area so that you can focus on the big stuff because you know Steel's like>

< start="7312.62" dur="4.62">to complain about wet socks like a lot like it's a and I go into great detail>

< start="7317.24" dur="8.31">about this and we avoid wet socks that uh you know to an extreme extent but>

< start="7325.55" dur="5.22">when it when things get really hard you know we the complaining seems to stop>

< start="7330.77" dur="5.24">when things are really serious we understand and have some perspective>

< start="7336.01" dur="5.83">about that and we and we act accordingly and and I think that's perfectly>

< start="7341.84" dur="4.47">relatable to regular life you know it's it's so it's why we go it's why we go>

< start="7346.31" dur="4.26">and do happy hours after work you know you just you're blowing off some steam>

< start="7350.57" dur="3.3">in a healthy way it's why people go see a therapist>

< start="7353.87" dur="4.41">like you really just you're really just complaining to the therapist for an hour>

< start="7358.28" dur="4.89">that's that's not as they're venting echo says yeah it's like it's like>

< start="7363.17" dur="3.72">you're just kind of letting that steam out so that you're you're you're holding>

< start="7366.89" dur="3.93">tank of emotions doesn't explode in somebody's face enough because that's>

< start="7370.82" dur="10.59">how you lose an eye next chapter the right sense of shame in America today we>

< start="7381.41" dur="3.81">too often look at personal failings as things to overcome move past or forget>

< start="7385.22" dur="5.1">sometimes we should do one or all of those things but we should also do>

< start="7390.32" dur="7.35">something else learn our lesson the list of public figures who run headlong into>

< start="7397.67" dur="3.51">self-inflicted failure personal political or otherwise and then>

< start="7401.18" dur="5.43">re-emerge shameless without having appeared to learn a thing is long don't>

< start="7406.61" dur="3.75">get me wrong I'm no opponent of redemption far from it I certainly>

< start="7410.36" dur="3.6">believe there should be space for re-emerging re-emergence from public>

< start="7413.96" dur="4.83">sport scorned I believe Redemption is a trademark of an enlightened society one>

< start="7418.79" dur="4.05">of the most one of the more detestable social trends now is mocking is the>

< start="7422.84" dur="3.06">mocking of redemption and the disc missing of the idea that it is possible>

< start="7425.9" dur="5.37">or even desirable in place of a system of repentance justice and mercy we have>

< start="7431.27" dur="5.44">a culture of mindless fury and outraged culture>

< start="7436.71" dur="3.75">so you you talk about this sense of shame>

< start="7440.46" dur="3.779">which is like a really important thing and I looked at this from a team guy>

< start="7444.239" dur="5.011">perspective the amount of shame like for instance if you forget a piece of gear>

< start="7449.25" dur="4.77">you when when a guy in one of my platoons or my task unit made a mistake>

< start="7454.02" dur="9.449">I almost never had to do anything other than simply very quietly acknowledge>

< start="7463.469" dur="5.041">that that that I saw let him know you know and they all it takes rush the>

< start="7468.51" dur="3.87">shame would just drive them to never make that mistake again that's what>

< start="7472.38" dur="5.43">you're talking about here that we've kind of lost that in a sense like in a>

< start="7477.81" dur="3.33">huge in a huge sense and then the other side of that is like hey just because>

< start="7481.14" dur="4.26">you forgot something doesn't mean I go I don't want you in this platoon you're a>

< start="7485.4" dur="4.44">piece of shit you can get no no no no it's like it's okay hey you made a>

< start="7489.84" dur="3.87">mistake you own it you admit it you tell me what you're gonna do to fix it and>

< start="7493.71" dur="4.11">then we're back on the level and I'm you know we're ready to move forward which>

< start="7497.82" dur="3.899">we don't have and then of course you go into this whole episode that took place>

< start="7501.719" dur="10.621">with a comedian whose name is Pete Davidson is his name yep so this is this>

< start="7512.34" dur="4.77">guy this guy is on Saturday Night Live one night and he says they put a picture>

< start="7517.11" dur="4.62">up of you they put a bunch of a bunch of politicians up there mm-hmm and then>

< start="7521.73" dur="4.44">they put a picture of you up and in and this guy Pete Davidson says this guy is>

< start="7526.17" dur="4.71">kind of cool Davidson cracked Dan Crenshaw you might>

< start="7530.88" dur="4.37">be surprised to hear he's a congressional candidate from Texas and>

< start="7535.25" dur="6.48">not a hit man in a porno the audience howled there as the audience howled>

< start="7541.73" dur="6.16">Davidson jumped in with a quick aside I'm sorry I know he lost his eye in war>

< start="7547.89" dur="2.9">or whatever>

< start="7550.81" dur="8.59">so that happened via that happen I want to and most people know that story by>

< start="7559.4" dur="6.02">now in pretty DJ I do give some behind-the-scenes never-before-heard>

< start="7565.42" dur="4.09">elements to that story yeah you know it's good detail which is why you got to>

< start="7569.51" dur="5.64">read the book yeah but there why is that in the shame chapters the question I>

< start="7575.15" dur="3.72">think also I want to hear your perspective on that whole thank you at>

< start="7578.87" dur="3.18">first because you told me a minute ago yeah you know from my perspective it>

< start="7582.05" dur="3.81">looked like this like this just be clear like during the election when it all>

< start="7585.86" dur="3.57">happened because I was on your show last time well before it's ever happened>

< start="7589.43" dur="5.22">no one knew Dan Crenshaw was back then yeah we call it Jacko's listeners well>

< start="7594.65" dur="2.52">then they did but I'm saying like when you first came on no one really you know>

< start="7597.17" dur="7.59">you you you just started hey that was early and yeah so it was early and but>

< start="7604.76" dur="3.84">now all of a sudden man overnight everybody knew who you were because of>

< start="7608.6" dur="6.36">this and what happened was from my perspective was people people started>

< start="7614.96" dur="6.6">hitting me up on social media like are you gonna you know denounce Saturday>

< start="7621.56" dur="3.87">live and you know what did you think of this and then they put the little thing>

< start="7625.43" dur="4.65">in there and you know of course my kind of gut was like kind of funny you know>

< start="7630.08" dur="5.94">like my response was like kind of funny I don't know that that made me laugh but>

< start="7636.02" dur="2.97">here's the thing luckily for me I'm always behind on>

< start="7638.99" dur="4.2">Twitter like I'm not quite caught up and as I finally started when I was like>

< start="7643.19" dur="3.54">okay I'm gonna respond to this right around then and I was like man what do I>

< start="7646.73" dur="6.12">I'm like think of myself I don't think Dan is like crying over this I don't>

< start="7652.85" dur="5.07">think he's at home going I can't believe that some comedian like me I'm thinking>

< start="7657.92" dur="5.76">about them but people are acting as if you were outraged they were outraged for>

< start="7663.68" dur="4.1">you and god bless him it wasn't like they're bad people they were just>

< start="7667.78" dur="6.46">offended by it right what we do now yeah they were offended by it and like you>

< start="7674.24" dur="4.23">and I both know I'm like hey man that's something that probably has been said to>

< start="7678.47" dur="4.05">him a hundred times in a platoon space somewhere you know like they don't make>

< start="7682.52" dur="4.72">fun of you for everything so anyways when I finally responded it>

< start="7687.24" dur="4.44">was like if I think Dan can handle himself or something I quoted you saying>

< start="7691.68" dur="5.01">hey whatever your thing which was like hey I'm not outraged it's fine he's>

< start="7696.69" dur="4.17">literally a comedian and once again I'll use the term literally in its project>

< start="7700.86" dur="3.99">the guy is literally a comedian he's supposed to make fun of things and make>

< start="7704.85" dur="4.08">people laugh he's not doing political commentary and it's not a personal>

< start="7708.93" dur="5.49">attack on you for just him just to attack you as a human being he's trying>

< start="7714.42" dur="5.07">to make people laugh so that was kind of my perspective it's funny how like when>

< start="7719.49" dur="4.11">you're in a position like you are and I am in you know people like they hit you>

< start="7723.6" dur="2.94">up on social media it's almost like this challenging like you better do this or>

< start="7726.54" dur="4.83">I'll never never like you again and if you don't do what they want I liked you>

< start="7731.37" dur="4.98">but now now I can't or can't trust you anymore it's just funny how that works>

< start="7736.35" dur="5.79">so that's one element of it but the yeah the hit man in a porno thing was pretty>

< start="7742.14" dur="4.68">funny like that was that is no I don't think that even pissed off anybody to be>

< start="7746.82" dur="5.82">honest um it was it was the the next go here's the next comment which was yeah I>

< start="7752.64" dur="3.96">mean it was very submissive who's actually the whatever actually the>

< start="7756.6" dur="3.21">whatever yeah yeah if he hadn't sent that yeah he wouldn't have received any>

< start="7759.81" dur="3.99">backlash if you woulda said I'm sorry I know he lost his eye in war it'd have>

< start="7763.8" dur="3.75">been like that's it you know what okay cool yeah and then he said or whatever>

< start="7767.55" dur="5.4">right right and it was at a very dismissive tone and now okay so but why>

< start="7772.95" dur="7.41">is that in that chapter and it's because of this so the the point is is that this>

< start="7780.36" dur="5.31">the Saturday Night Live story was a story fundamentally about showing the>

< start="7785.67" dur="5.79">right sense of shame and reaction to that so because it could have gone a lot>

< start="7791.46" dur="4.71">different like I could have asked Jocko to be like denounced them for me and>

< start="7796.17" dur="8.19">they're like okay fine Dan Jesus and I could have actually stoked the outrage>

< start="7804.36" dur="3.93">and just like played the aggrieved victim and if by the way if you read>

< start="7808.29" dur="2.97">left-wing media these days they'll say that's all the things I did it's>

< start="7811.26" dur="3.93">actually absurd how they rewrite is really Oh 100% it's insane>

< start="7815.19" dur="4.8">like but the lies that occur from being media don't get me started I've>

< start="7819.99" dur="3.84">already started okay so that but that's not what happened>

< start="7823.83" dur="3.87">right I was like my line was something along the lines of like a you know in>

< start="7827.7" dur="3.54">this in this life like try not to offend people but also try really hard not to>

< start="7831.24" dur="3.96">be offended so you know it's kind of sucks what he said but now I'm not gonna>

< start="7835.2" dur="4.77">ask for him to be denounced or I don't want I'm not demanding an apology be>

< start="7839.97" dur="3.96">careful not to demand an apology I don't care if they apologize it's like my life>

< start="7843.93" dur="4.89">goes on either way that's sort of how I stated that and no he shouldn't be fired>

< start="7848.82" dur="5.13">people had asked me they should be fired like no like why you know and I'm>

< start="7853.95" dur="4.44">remembering now you also said something along the lines of look I'm not really>

< start="7858.39" dur="3.48">offended but you may have offended other people like you kind of took a stance>

< start="7861.87" dur="4.86">for other vets that have been wounded has it been more grievously wounded than>

< start="7866.73" dur="5.52">you that was the important line I had to walk on that the entire reaction because>

< start="7872.25" dur="4.89">that's legitimate total easy you can't kind of can't forgive the guy right off>

< start="7877.14" dur="4.83">the bat you have to acknowledge that he was screwed up and but on the other hand>

< start="7881.97" dur="6.69">you can also acknowledge that that he may have made a mistake like he may have>

< start="7888.66" dur="3.69">misspoke like it may have been sort of ad-libbed you know because that is a>

< start="7892.35" dur="4.92">very highly scripted show but after working with Pete Davidson like he kind>

< start="7897.27" dur="3.96">of goes off the rails sometimes and I mean on the show or on the ship in life>

< start="7901.23" dur="6.51">both okay obviously but you know so it's like eight you know oh is that it's kind>

< start="7907.74" dur="3.05">of going back to be still like is there a chance that there's more to the story>

< start="7910.79" dur="3.76">is there a chance I don't have to act like an aggrieved victim I don't feel>

< start="7914.55" dur="6.33">like an aggrieved victim so maybe don't act like it and so that gave that gave>

< start="7920.88" dur="6.5">SNL the space to invite me on the show if I had really stoked the outrage mob>

< start="7927.38" dur="3.7">why would they invite me on the show you know because now I've put them in a>

< start="7931.08" dur="4.44">corner and so you can see this going that way and this is how it usually goes>

< start="7935.52" dur="5.73">right this code of extreme sense of shame must be showed and the extreme>

< start="7941.25" dur="5.68">sense of or the extreme outrage results in an extreme sense of shame>

< start="7946.93" dur="4.59">and so we've miscalibrated how we feel shame in this country and that's a>

< start="7951.52" dur="5.49">problem for our culture and the reason Americans liked the whole SNL moment>

< start="7957.01" dur="4.65">with me and Pete was because it was the right balance so the right sense of>

< start="7961.66" dur="4.35">shame is about finding the right balance of shame because it seems like we have>

< start="7966.01" dur="3.36">these like two options and and I open up that chapter talking about all these>

< start="7969.37" dur="5.79">politicians who run headlong into failure and then like reemerge untouched>

< start="7975.16" dur="5.43">or unrepentant at all there's a lot of examples like that okay and I try to>

< start="7980.59" dur="3.36">have bipartisan examples by the way because I didn't want this to be>

< start="7983.95" dur="6.48">readable to to people of other than you know my conservative fanbase and and the>

< start="7990.43" dur="3.36">point is is that yeah those politicians are bad people>

< start="7993.79" dur="5.07">for basically feeling no shame at the same time our culture has given them no>

< start="7998.86" dur="4.62">incentive to feel any shame because the outraged mob is so severe and so>

< start="8003.48" dur="5.7">unrelenting and so unforgiving that there's no incentive to actually react>

< start="8009.18" dur="5.07">the way you should react and see you end up just not either not apologizing or>

< start="8014.25" dur="5.49">apologizing profusely and like I actually in the book I actually actually>

< start="8019.74" dur="6.09">analyzed this with some bell curves and graphs that I drew it's like illustrate>

< start="8025.83" dur="2.7">this visually for people so you just have to buy the book to see what I'm>

< start="8028.53" dur="5.16">talking about and what the point is is like we need to get back to the middle>

< start="8033.69" dur="3.63">ground where it's like I'm kind of sorry but I'm not really sorry you know and>

< start="8037.32" dur="2.64">there's some good examples of that like a used Ellen DeGeneres is a great>

< start="8039.96" dur="3.72">example she took all this heat for like you know hanging out with George W Bush>

< start="8043.68" dur="3.86">at the Dallas Cowboys game she didn't apologize she wasn't like you know I>

< start="8047.54" dur="7.6">didn't have done like the extreme apology I didn't realize how much pain I>

< start="8055.14" dur="4.98">would cause the LGBTQ community she could have said that right and you've>

< start="8060.12" dur="4.26">seen other celebrities do similar things like similar apologies it's like you've>

< start="8064.38" dur="5.94">got nothing to apologize for nothing and she didn't apologize she she>

< start="8070.32" dur="3.15">just kind of explained it and you gotta just put people in their place like hey>

< start="8073.47" dur="3.74">like it's cool to hang out and be friends with people if you disagree with>

< start="8077.21" dur="4.14">and that was it novel it was it was and it was it was a she>

< start="8081.35" dur="5.94">diffused the situation rather elegantly and I use a couple other examples of>

< start="8087.29" dur="6.21">some good ones too but that's what we have to be aspiring to and and we're not>

< start="8093.5" dur="4.32">there right now and then it gets into the the chapter gets into the individual>

< start="8097.82" dur="3.24">sense of shame because this is that that's the cultural problem we have>

< start="8101.06" dur="3.51">that's the cultural outrage mob problem that have just described but there's a>

< start="8104.57" dur="3.69">more individualistic sense of shame too about how you carry yourself through>

< start="8108.26" dur="5.31">your daily life and and how you have to feel bad about something if you're going>

< start="8113.57" dur="3.45">to live your plan a like you have to know what it is and you have to>

< start="8117.02" dur="2.61">understand right and wrong you can only understand right and wrong if you>

< start="8119.63" dur="4.08">understand what you should feel shame about I'm gonna and I get again into>

< start="8123.71" dur="3.54">kind of a religious discussion here about like our morality and like how we>

< start="8127.25" dur="5.16">actually know right from wrong look this is a this it this is a deep thing to>

< start="8132.41" dur="4.77">understand and how you should feel bad about certain things if you're going to>

< start="8137.18" dur="5.43">live the right way and then again we we do this meticulously in the SEAL Teams I>

< start="8142.61" dur="5.55">think I have a story in there about just a debrief from a typical SEAL chief and>

< start="8148.16" dur="5.07">how that went you know we thought we did good no you didn't and you're gonna feel>

< start="8153.23" dur="4.11">bad about it and you have to make yourself feel bad about it and that's>

< start="8157.34" dur="4.53">that's that's the cycle that's the psychological reason the psychological>

< start="8161.87" dur="10.68">underpinnings of of this chapter is is you a seal chief or jaco can make you>

< start="8172.55" dur="5.67">know he can let you can let them know that they screwed up right but the>

< start="8178.22" dur="4.83">question is do you feel bad about it most team guys do most team guys like>

< start="8183.05" dur="5.73">it's just it's hard to feel like you screwed up but in the other in the>

< start="8188.78" dur="4.68">outside world that's not always the case a lot of people are thinking whatever I>

< start="8193.46" dur="3.06">shouldn't even be in trouble I was gonna say since I was in a position where a>

< start="8196.52" dur="3.36">lot of times I was debriefing people and telling them that they screwed something>

< start="8199.88" dur="5.49">up and the reactions were from a good this is the difference use it most team>

< start="8205.37" dur="6.34">guys good team guys go man we died up I'm gonna fix it bad team>

< start="8211.71" dur="4.139">guys go it didn't really matter that wouldn't have that would never happen>

< start="8215.849" dur="3.031">real world I would you know like they've got a million excuses they don't take>

< start="8218.88" dur="3.059">ownership better than they and it just falls apart they feel no shame they feel>

< start="8221.939" dur="4.59">no shame exactly they feel like it's not my fault it's it's not on me and and>

< start="8226.529" dur="5.79">there's a rationalization that occurs and you have to the only thing you can>

< start="8232.319" dur="4.53">control is your conscious mind okay so you can you can control the conversation>

< start="8236.849" dur="4.92">going on in your head about how you rationalize that and the more you>

< start="8241.769" dur="3.39">rationalize it the less likely it is that you actually feel the shame in your>

< start="8245.159" dur="3.81">gut because you guys at first you feel it like you know is your fault and you>

< start="8248.969" dur="4.26">feel it but then you rationalize it away and eventually that rationalization kind>

< start="8253.229" dur="2.941">of takes over and you no longer even feel the shame and your gut and you're>

< start="8256.17" dur="4.469">going down a very bad path at that point and again this this try to relate this>

< start="8260.639" dur="4.411">to very basic stuff in life like like don't you feel bad when you're that guy>

< start="8265.05" dur="5.099">who kind of leaves the shopping cart in a parking spot because you should yeah>

< start="8270.149" dur="7.2">you know a bad person bad person you are you somebody's gonna hit that or it>

< start="8277.349" dur="4.71">can't park yeah or it's just a it's not the right thing to do just a bad person>

< start="8282.059" dur="6.18">you know you did it yeah no you are you're out there yeah you say in here we>

< start="8288.239" dur="2.761">should feel a sense of shame for not training hard enough for sleeping in too>

< start="8291" dur="2.429">late for eating that extra scoop of ice cream>

< start="8293.429" dur="3.96">we should feel regret after walking by a piece of trash next to storm drain>

< start="8297.389" dur="2.79">knowing full well we'll go straight in the ocean we should feel bad for not>

< start="8300.179" dur="4.23">tipping that hard working later we should be embarrassed when we owe a>

< start="8304.409" dur="4.44">friend money and they have to constantly remind us to pay them back but more the>

< start="8308.849" dur="5.31">team guys are listening to that one we should feel lazy for leaving our food>

< start="8314.159" dur="2.881">tray on the table in a fast-food restaurant even though their trash cans>

< start="8317.04" dur="5.609">are right there you go on you say we should be in short be accountable for>

< start="8322.649" dur="5.22">everything you do it was my commander Jocko willing echo>

< start="8327.869" dur="3.78">Charles named Joe one of my mentors and the team's wrote an entire book on the>

< start="8331.649" dur="3.45">subject called extreme ownership the premise of the book is quite simple>

< start="8335.099" dur="4.441">everything is your fault be accountable take ownership take responsibility from>

< start="8339.54" dur="6.22">this responsibility you'll find freedom it is liberating>

< start="8345.76" dur="4.629">really is it's liberating the worst thing the worst thing is trying to look>

< start="8350.389" dur="4.051">trying to do you're gonna blame because then you don't have control over it yeah>

< start="8354.44" dur="1.83">when you say you know what this is my fault>

< start="8356.27" dur="4.789">then you're are free to go and make changes in your life free to fix things>

< start="8361.059" dur="4.481">it's it's the deeper discussion about why personal responsibility is a bedrock>

< start="8365.54" dur="5.309">of our cultural of our of our culture and our cultural foundations and as a>

< start="8370.849" dur="3.75">conservative we always say it like I'm always like personal responsibility and>

< start="8374.599" dur="5.311">in speeches I tried to delve into that a lot deeper like this is actually what>

< start="8379.91" dur="4.11">this is the argument for why it matters and it's actually quite simple personal>

< start="8384.02" dur="5.55">responsibility is empowering and lack of personal responsibility is disempowering>

< start="8389.57" dur="6.09">the other issue is its completely unsustainable for for a very society to>

< start="8395.66" dur="2.64">engage any lack of personal responsibility it's unsustainable>

< start="8398.3" dur="4.26">because by definition if you're not personally responsible someone else must>

< start="8402.56" dur="5.64">be responsible for you and that's fine if like you're an infant or you know>

< start="8408.2" dur="2.88">you're in the might you know it's a small segment of society right you can>

< start="8411.08" dur="4.65">you can again our our governments tries to take that into account but if you>

< start="8415.73" dur="3.63">wouldn't actually encourage the undermining of the foundation itself the>

< start="8419.36" dur="3.42">undermining of personal responsibility as a virtue in and of itself which is>

< start="8422.78" dur="4.05">what's happening on the left to try to undermine that cultural foundation>

< start="8426.83" dur="5.79">you're creating an unbelievably unsustainable trajectory where it is>

< start="8432.62" dur="4.2">where we we have more and more people who are who are convinced that somebody>

< start="8436.82" dur="3.72">else should be responsible for them and therefore take their own power it's>

< start="8440.54" dur="4.56">unbelievably disempowering and it's it's it's just I you wouldn't wish that state>

< start="8445.1" dur="4.11">of mind on anybody except your worst enemies yeah you know it's again it's>

< start="8449.21" dur="3.6">not how you treat people you love and it's one of those things that's tempting>

< start="8452.81" dur="5.73">right it's short-term gratification it's it's seems like the easier way to go>

< start="8458.54" dur="4.62">because in the short term hey I just got this and I didn't have to work for it>

< start="8463.16" dur="5.84">you know mm-hmm that's the short term and unfortunately>

< start="8469.22" dur="8.13">we know where it ends up mmm it's like a pyramid scheme think about it seems>

< start="8477.35" dur="3.12">saying I'm thinking about I'm I'm getting paid or whatever cuz someone got>

< start="8480.47" dur="3.54">to do the work at the end of the day but a pyramid scheme it's like everyone's>

< start="8484.01" dur="4.2">waiting for their turn oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and then at the end of the day>

< start="8488.21" dur="3.689">everybody crashes because all who's doing the work no no no him no not him>

< start="8491.899" dur="3.481">remember we're not doing anything no that's right ID to think that that>

< start="8495.38" dur="2.88">person sex yeah that's what my initial thought was trying to put it together>

< start="8498.26" dur="3.599">but yeah you're right because you're building it on everyone's gonna get>

< start="8501.859" dur="4.38">money yeah yeah that's so it's someone's coming from it it's basically the>

< start="8506.239" dur="3.301">diffusion of responsibility yeah this is what you're talking about and sort of>

< start="8509.54" dur="3.689">the tragedy of the Commons as well it's kind of a mix of all those things and>

< start="8513.229" dur="8.641">it's uh not good it's unsustainable next chapter duty a sense of duty>

< start="8521.87" dur="7.529">my parents imbued in me a sense of duty to do that which has inherent value you>

< start="8529.399" dur="4.801">go on to say duty is ingrained in the human condition our great religious our>

< start="8534.2" dur="4.68">great religions are essentially based on a sense of duty to love God and live>

< start="8538.88" dur="4.41">well we have a duty not only to survive in this world but to pursue a higher>

< start="8543.29" dur="6.06">purpose we are here for a reason and living for that purpose is our choice to>

< start="8549.35" dur="8.549">make it is the path to happiness so again we're starting to talk about you>

< start="8557.899" dur="3.871">know the idea that you know you're gonna find happiness in some short-term>

< start="8561.77" dur="6.419">gratification is not true right and this is this this chapter comes right after>

< start="8568.189" dur="5.101">the sense of shame chapter because you have to understand what is wrong so that>

< start="8573.29" dur="6.449">you can understand what is right and that is that is the the darkness and the>

< start="8579.739" dur="6.691">light and you have to live in both and sense of duty is its living your plan a>

< start="8586.43" dur="4.83">you know and I say don't live your plan B no plan B again that I explained>

< start="8591.26" dur="2.79">before that that was about purpose that's about living with purpose and so>

< start="8594.05" dur="4.019">we get into a lot more detail about what that is in this chapter we talked about>

< start="8598.069" dur="5.571">the great religions we talked about why that's important>

< start="8603.92" dur="7.18">and and then it's it's it's it's a duty to live at the books about mental>

< start="8611.1" dur="4.32">toughness and so we bring it back into it's a duty to live with that fortitude>

< start="8615.42" dur="4.559">and and again to feel bad as this deeply intertwine with a sense of shame to feel>

< start="8619.979" dur="4.581">bad when you don't to understand what that Duty is and how to live within it>

< start="8624.56" dur="4.11">and I can remember if I list the 10 commandments in this chapter or the>

< start="8628.67" dur="5.019">different chapters yeah but it's the same kind of discussion oh no right>

< start="8633.689" dur="5.281">here's this chap it is this general character so the and then and so that's>

< start="8638.97" dur="5.639">when I get into a really long discussion about where our laws come from so this>

< start="8644.609" dur="6.181">this kind of goes into political philosophy as well and the fact is is>

< start="8650.79" dur="3.27">that the Ten Commandments are the origins of our law and I talked about>

< start="8654.06" dur="3.54">how Moses the portrait of Moses is in the House of Representatives staring>

< start="8657.6" dur="4.17">down at the Speaker of the House and well along with 23 other law givers but>

< start="8661.77" dur="4.08">Moses is in the middle Moses is the only one who's not inside profile that's>

< start="8665.85" dur="6.18">important because he was the original receiver of law not man-made law but>

< start="8672.03" dur="4.53">like absolute law these things are true it can't be argued with they are just>

< start="8676.56" dur="4.68">true all right like Commandments one through four basically say these are>

< start="8681.24" dur="3.54">true you can't argue with them like believe in God and the rest of them are>

< start="8684.78" dur="5.07">like this is what you should do you know don't steal don't kill all that and an>

< start="8689.85" dur="5.009">atheist could say welcome I know that yeah I don't need the Bible to tell me>

< start="8694.859" dur="5.37">that I shouldn't do these things I know they're true my counter to that is how>

< start="8700.229" dur="5.731">do you know how do you know who told you who taught them where did you where do>

< start="8705.96" dur="5.359">they get them from how do you know they're true and they can't answer that>

< start="8711.319" dur="3.941">they're true because they do come from a higher power they're true because they>

< start="8715.26" dur="2.73">come from thousands of years of wisdom and whether you believe in that higher>

< start="8717.99" dur="5.64">power or not you're still following it and you can't escape that reality if you>

< start="8723.63" dur="4.5">start if you try to and if you start to believe that that human morality is>

< start="8728.13" dur="4.86">changeable and that we can just choose that to change some of those>

< start="8732.99" dur="2.67">Commandments well then you get the Holocaust>

< start="8735.66" dur="4.47">like it's it's a short path man like it's a short path to the horrors of the>

< start="8740.13" dur="5.49">20th century the secularism of the 20th century killed millions tens and tens of>

< start="8745.62" dur="6.36">millions and because we untethered ourselves from absolute morality it's a>

< start="8751.98" dur="6.36">really dangerous path yeah when you talk about that and you end up saying at a>

< start="8758.34" dur="3.81">very basic level this is back the book at a very basic level this is a shirking>

< start="8762.15" dur="4.38">of fundamental human duty and responsibility a responsibility to what>

< start="8766.53" dur="6.361">exactly politeness open-mindedness and grace for starters these are our duties>

< start="8772.891" dur="5.099">to our fellow Americans just the basics if we lose those fundamental virtues we>

< start="8777.99" dur="4.44">lose our sense of unity without a sense of unity under an umbrella of common>

< start="8782.43" dur="5.43">values this whole great American experiment unravels and as you just said>

< start="8787.86" dur="6.451">we've seen this before mmm common values exactly and and they come from somewhere>

< start="8794.311" dur="3.739">and a large part of this book is about showing gratitude for your history>

< start="8798.05" dur="4.54">gratitude for what works I like to say that you know again just being a>

< start="8802.59" dur="4.71">conservative conservatism is based fundamentally on things that work things>

< start="8807.3" dur="3.99">that feel good the things that work and that's important you know doesn't mean>

< start="8811.29" dur="4.34">we're always right but most of the time I think at least the foundations are and>

< start="8815.63" dur="6.28">you can't just undermine the foundations of a society and and I see that>

< start="8821.91" dur="3.3">happening more and more unfortunately you rattle off some of>

< start="8825.21" dur="2.79">these duties you have a duty to accomplish something every day you have>

< start="8828" dur="3.75">a duty to live up to your best self the person you want to be the hero archetype>

< start="8831.75" dur="3.93">you admire you have a duty to embrace shame and learn from it you have a duty>

< start="8835.68" dur="3.18">to be polite thoughtful patient you have a duty to overcome your hardships and>

< start="8838.86" dur="3.93">not wallow in self-pity you have a duty to contribute even if your contribution>

< start="8842.79" dur="4.08">is small you have a duty to be on time you have a duty to do your job even if>

< start="8846.87" dur="5.25">your job sucks you have a duty to stay healthy both for yourself and so you did>

< start="8852.12" dur="3.12">so that you did not become a burden on others you have a duty to be part of the>

< start="8855.24" dur="4.111">solution not the problem in other words don't join the Twitter mob you have a>

< start="8859.351" dur="4.889">duty to try hard not to offend others and try harder not to be offended and>

< start="8864.24" dur="3.87">this is where you start broaching into what I was saying earlier there is a>

< start="8868.11" dur="2.969">selfish reason to live a life of purpose and>

< start="8871.079" dur="5.431">responsibility it will make you tougher and more successful we aren't perfect>

< start="8876.51" dur="3.75">and we won't always adhere to these basic duties but I hope we can start to>

< start="8880.26" dur="4.349">agree on what they are feel some shame when we fall short and begin living our>

< start="8884.609" dur="3.87">lives with purpose this is the time-tested formula for a stronger>

< start="8888.479" dur="3.93">people and more than that a stronger America this is what this is what people>

< start="8892.409" dur="3.151">miss sometimes and I talk about this a lot from a leadership perspective from a>

< start="8895.56" dur="5.49">leadership perspective if I'm a leader that tries to climb on people's back>

< start="8901.05" dur="4.439">tries to make myself look good tries to always shine the limelight on>

< start="8905.489" dur="5.101">myself and find the best deal for myself if I'm that type of leader I might get>

< start="8910.59" dur="3.599">ahead for a second here there but ultimately I will not be in charge of>

< start="8914.189" dur="4.111">anything if you're the type of leader that takes care of your troops looks out>

< start="8918.3" dur="3">for the good of the mission you you look out for everyone above yourself if>

< start="8921.3" dur="3.66">you're that type of leader look you might take you might take hits now and>

< start="8924.96" dur="4.979">again because you're you're propping up everyone else above yourself but in the>

< start="8929.939" dur="4.531">long run this is the this is the amazing thing in the long run you will>

< start="8934.47" dur="4.05">absolutely be a more successful leader than me who's over here looking out for>

< start="8938.52" dur="5.07">myself and and that's a similar thing to what you're saying here which is like if>

< start="8943.59" dur="4.05">you do these things which seem like sometimes they be a pain right getting>

< start="8947.64" dur="2.7">up every day and being on time taking care of your health like all these>

< start="8950.34" dur="3.09">things that maybe you don't feel being polite to people right sometimes you>

< start="8953.43" dur="4.41">just want to do what I want to do that ultimately taking care of yourself and>

< start="8957.84" dur="5.849">putting yourself as the supreme cause of your life ultimately you will be less>

< start="8963.689" dur="4.47">successful than if you take care of other people if you treat other people>

< start="8968.159" dur="5.431">with respect if you do your job if you do those things that again on the>

< start="8973.59" dur="3.569">surface they seem like they might not help you in the long run you will>

< start="8977.159" dur="6.691">absolutely win absolutely and when you win your team wins your community wins>

< start="8983.85" dur="4.559">your country wins that's what happens right and your your individual actions>

< start="8988.409" dur="5.34">and habits and tasks that are inherently good we have to dig and we have to kind>

< start="8993.749" dur="4.891">of redefine what good is because we've forgotten but that makes up the fabric>

< start="8998.64" dur="4.19">of the larger culture and if we want a successful culture that is>

< start="9002.83" dur="4.02">not at each other's throats and not losing our minds because of>

< start="9006.85" dur="5.64">microaggressions and offenses then you've got to live within that and yeah>

< start="9012.49" dur="4.92">treating other people with respect and doing things for others again very basic>

< start="9017.41" dur="4.88">biblical teachings that are unfortunately being swept away>

< start="9022.29" dur="4.54">especially in favor of a of kind of this sense of grandstanding and sense of>

< start="9026.83" dur="3.96">morality where it's it's more moral to demand that others do something for>

< start="9030.79" dur="3.99">others you know like that's I've thought again I'm going back to the problems>

< start="9034.78" dur="4.73">with socialism it seems to me that sometimes say well Jesus was a socialist>

< start="9039.51" dur="4.39">now Jesus encouraged you to be charitable with your time and your money>

< start="9043.9" dur="5.09">right that's what Jesus said he didn't say stand on top of a hill screaming>

< start="9048.99" dur="6.34">that other people give away their money that's not sorry like that's that's just>

< start="9055.33" dur="3.87">your missing to deliberately misinterpreting the teachings of the>

< start="9059.2" dur="4.861">Bible in favor of socialism like there's a few other biblical reasons I think>

< start="9064.061" dur="4.799">socialism is not correct but but for our purposes on this chapter that's that's a>

< start="9068.86" dur="5.25">big one sense of duty to give your time and your money and contribute that way>

< start="9074.11" dur="4.53">and it will make you more successful in the long run because building good>

< start="9078.64" dur="5.73">relationships is a huge part of success we forget about that sometimes Jordan>

< start="9084.37" dur="4.14">Peterson goes into a lot of detail in that particular element which is it's>

< start="9088.51" dur="6.39">kind of fascinating to get he's a big fan and has he been on your show three>

< start="9094.9" dur="4.07">times times nope he was on before he was on before>

< start="9098.97" dur="5.71">he was kind of popular yeah before 12 rules for life came out and then he was>

< start="9104.68" dur="6.23">on a two times after that and yeah they're they're some of the most popular>

< start="9110.91" dur="7.81">episodes of the podcast until this one of course yeah sure yeah I'm sure it's>

< start="9118.72" dur="4.2">interesting because a lot of people they make that mistake how you're like you>

< start="9122.92" dur="3.81">have to have to do it mm-hmm because people make that mistake with extreme>

< start="9126.73" dur="3.87">ownership - yeah yeah they're like hey if my boss would just get on board with>

< start="9130.6" dur="4.05">this this concept you know like yeah we problems my team would just take>

< start="9134.65" dur="2.709">ownership yeah we're not talking about same feel and>

< start="9137.359" dur="5.88">same thing with relationships I've been using the percentage lately of 99.9% of>

< start="9143.239" dur="2.851">the things that I got done in the military and did in the military were>

< start="9146.09" dur="4.109">based on relationships and not based on chain of command so every time one of my>

< start="9150.199" dur="4.441">guys you know had a mission I didn't this is how you gonna do it no it's like>

< start="9154.64" dur="2.759">hey how do you want to get this done every time my boss came to me they won't>

< start="9157.399" dur="3.661">like hate job this you need you know they're like hey here's what we got what>

< start="9161.06" dur="4.44">do you think everything was about relationships everything every the>

< start="9165.5" dur="4.02">extreme example was in the Battle of Ramadi when we needed fire support from>

< start="9169.52" dur="4.74">tanks who needed to risk their lives to go and get my guys prevent them from>

< start="9174.26" dur="3.87">being overrun in the field what those tanks didn't work for me they didn't>

< start="9178.13" dur="2.79">they were in a totally separate chain of command and yet they would do it why>

< start="9180.92" dur="4.74">because we had awesome relationships up and down the chain of command and so>

< start="9185.66" dur="5.88">yeah absolutely relationship building is it's it's it's critical to every aspect>

< start="9191.54" dur="4.23">of life and the little tagline that I often tell people is relationships are>

< start="9195.77" dur="6.719">stronger than the chain of command 100 percent now 100 percent next chapter do>

< start="9202.489" dur="5.311">something hard in Budds it's all about the next 10 minutes sometimes it's about>

< start="9207.8" dur="4.019">the next 30 seconds if you're thinking about buds in its entirety six brutal>

< start="9211.819" dur="4.051">months then the font is simply too much the men who quit are the men who look up>

< start="9215.87" dur="4.59">at the day before them and see all the days to come they are thinking they're>

< start="9220.46" dur="4.5">the men who are miserable and wet and cold and thinking about the hot coffee>

< start="9224.96" dur="3.84">and girlfriend they miss and suddenly because they imagine the months-long>

< start="9228.8" dur="5.429">suffering they will inevitably face they break they are already using every ounce>

< start="9234.229" dur="4.891">of endurance and fortitude to survive what's happening right now expanding>

< start="9239.12" dur="7.92">their horizons to an infinite number of miserable right now does them in so you>

< start="9247.04" dur="3.81">focus on the next 10 minutes and remind yourself that the instructors can't kill>

< start="9250.85" dur="4.32">you even if they're claiming otherwise thousands have made it before you you>

< start="9255.17" dur="3.479">can too what's on the other side of those months and months of 10 minute>

< start="9258.649" dur="7.97">blocks are over liberation transformation and meaning so that's>

< start="9266.619" dur="6.64">that's one way to get through buds buds isn't six months long it's about four>

< start="9273.259" dur="5.91">minutes long right now I'm through it lots of four minutes lots and lots of>

< start="9279.169" dur="2.73">them we're so longer for some of us if we>

< start="9281.899" dur="6.121">extend our time by breaking a leg some just not it not great but also normal>

< start="9288.02" dur="4.62">yeah normal a lot of people injured they get rolled back they got to go back over>

< start="9292.64" dur="6.21">and over again so how does this how does this apply then to you know this is>

< start="9298.85" dur="4.889">broad advice to human beings yeah so because not everybody's going through>

< start="9303.739" dur="7.95">buds and nor should they and obviously I'm using my own experiences here like>

< start="9311.689" dur="4.17">this was my transformation but buds is a transformation for a lot of seals it's>

< start="9315.859" dur="6.72">what so it gives us confidence and it you push your limits so that you way>

< start="9322.579" dur="4.021">past what you thought were there so that you're confident enough to break past>

< start="9326.6" dur="4.939">more limits when they come because they will come and you know they came from me>

< start="9331.539" dur="4.33">getting blown up that was there was a limit that I didn't quite experience>

< start="9335.869" dur="6.87">even in hell week and it got worse because things can get worse but hell>

< start="9342.739" dur="4.441">week and and buds in general and the mentality that we developed accordingly>

< start="9347.18" dur="2.729">at least allowed me to deal with it later>

< start="9349.909" dur="7.08">and so doing something hard it has a number of benefits one is kind of a>

< start="9356.989" dur="6.54">simple sense of preparedness and the Stoics a reference Stoics stoicism a lot>

< start="9363.529" dur="4.441">throughout the book and the Stoics are referenced in this one because they day>

< start="9367.97" dur="6.929">they believed in hardship as preparedness so that's a very that's a>

< start="9374.899" dur="5.911">very practical reason to just do hard stuff you know if you're worried about>

< start="9380.81" dur="5.58">being homeless one day try sleeping on the floor sometimes like try going a few>

< start="9386.39" dur="3.779">days with without the comforts of your home so that if it did happen you'd>

< start="9390.169" dur="3.84">actually be prepared for it that that's a very simplistic way of looking at it>

< start="9394.009" dur="4.591">but like that's what they meant by that simple preparedness you know if you want>

< start="9398.6" dur="4.38">to be better at running a Mountain run up a mountain like it's you>

< start="9402.98" dur="3.661">know so this is the actor preparedness but there's a deeper reason why I think>

< start="9406.641" dur="5.519">doing something hard matters and it's the it's the psychology of suffering and>

< start="9412.16" dur="5.91">so this is a chapter that has a lot of Psych references in it I am did a lot of>

< start="9418.07" dur="5.16">research on this one specifically with guy named dr. Allison from University of>

< start="9423.23" dur="5.911">Richmond and the benefits of suffering are well documented psychologically and>

< start="9429.141" dur="4.589">physiologically physiologically speaking interesting research that I am will go>

< start="9433.73" dur="3.3">into now but because again I want people to read it>

< start="9437.03" dur="3.39">I don't want people that come away from this box i spell-checked got it you know>

< start="9440.42" dur="7.051">not flying that book now thanks Jocko so there's there's a lot more to it but um>

< start="9447.471" dur="6.149">the the suffering has inherent value and we've we've created this society where>

< start="9453.62" dur="4.62">we try to avoid suffering and risk at all costs and there's it's not>

< start="9458.24" dur="3.24">self-evident that that's a good thing in fact it's pretty evident that it's a bad>

< start="9461.48" dur="4.92">thing we've become more fragile as a result and again there's good research>

< start="9466.4" dur="4.23">that shows that we've become a kind of this this fragile culture we need to be>

< start="9470.63" dur="4.41">anti fragile hardship should make us stronger not just that we're resilient>

< start="9475.04" dur="4.44">to it but that it actually makes us stronger this is this is fundamentally>

< start="9479.48" dur="5.52">true again I think think though the Bible talks about this the psychological>

< start="9485" dur="4.94">research talks about this there's there's evidence that you know again>

< start="9489.94" dur="5.621">physiological pain you know working out it changes your brain it makes you>

< start="9495.561" dur="4.379">better at memory and if you're better at like if your brain works better I would>

< start="9499.94" dur="4.531">argue that you're mentally tougher so like just again so start lifting weights>

< start="9504.471" dur="3.929">you know and if you can't lift weights like find something else that is hard so>

< start="9508.4" dur="4.68">again it's not butts and I'm not saying lifter trauma either okay like swimming>

< start="9513.08" dur="5.7">with sharks is hard they don't go so much sharks that's bad>

< start="9518.78" dur="5.13">butts in it so I guess what I'm saying is don't put yourself in a dangerous>

< start="9523.91" dur="4.111">situation where you'll have to live through a hardship and then overcome it>

< start="9528.021" dur="5.259">okay that's not what I'm saying I am saying it has to be self-imposed>

< start="9533.28" dur="5.43">has to be habitual and there's value in that and and it could be simple right>

< start="9538.71" dur="2.49">could be taking a cold shower on a weekend it's like I'm just gonna>

< start="9541.2" dur="4.08">weekend's I'm gonna take cold showers it could be waking up at 4:30 a.m. some>

< start="9545.28" dur="4.62">rather good plan yeah I hate that plan but yeah but that's that's like but>

< start="9549.9" dur="4.05">that's there's a reason you do it you know and it was a sense of discipline>

< start="9553.95" dur="4.38">you're on the path like this is this is what you do and that and it's different>

< start="9558.33" dur="4.771">for everybody but just find it and maybe make it harder the next time you know>

< start="9563.101" dur="3.689">but eventually in your case you would just be will never I guess what would>

< start="9566.79" dur="2.79">that look like wake up earlier oh sweet now you're just in the middle of the>

< start="9569.58" dur="9.5">night yeah it's weird I'm thinking about there'd be some times with team guys on>

< start="9579.08" dur="8.561">operations where it goes it goes past the normal everyday level of suck like>

< start="9587.641" dur="5.189">it starts to suck bad whatever it is whether it's a long long insert you know>

< start="9592.83" dur="4.92">patrol in whether it's the heat whether it's the cold whatever that thing is>

< start="9597.75" dur="7.8">like you will be I would say one out of every eight it's just standard kind of>

< start="9605.55" dur="4.471">operations that you're going one out of every eight you're gonna have to go into>

< start="9610.021" dur="3.66">into that zone where you look around at the other guys and you're like yeah>

< start="9613.681" dur="6.869">you're like yep this everyone right here everybody in this boat in this zodiac>

< start="9620.55" dur="3.33">that is absolutely freezing right now mm-hmm>

< start="9623.88" dur="3.301">this sucks for everybody and you know what it's just like you up we're gonna>

< start="9627.181" dur="4.049">keep going and it's like glorious and then you look back on it later and>

< start="9631.23" dur="5.281">you're like that was amazing and it makes you better and it it really>

< start="9636.511" dur="4.38">there's a spiritual awakening that occurs with suffering self-imposed>

< start="9640.891" dur="4.83">suffering no doubt and and also not self-imposed suffering I'm just saying>

< start="9645.721" dur="4.409">don't go seek out the the what you know what would be better to refer to as>

< start="9650.13" dur="5.7">tragedy but I'm not saying seek out your tragedy but also and now kind of be>

< start="9655.83" dur="3.42">jumping into the next chapter because sort of leads into it but then you're>

< start="9659.25" dur="4.05">telling yourself a story about the tragedy and there's still value in that>

< start="9663.3" dur="3.33">and again and this is backed up by research like I did>

< start="9666.63" dur="5.4">homework on this there is whether you call it post-traumatic growth or kind of>

< start="9672.03" dur="2.94">positive in I forget the other terms but there's a there's a bunch of terms like>

< start="9674.97" dur="5.49">a lot psychology terms that that that prove and demonstrate that people not>

< start="9680.46" dur="6.54">only become more resilient but but even stronger after really hard occurrences>

< start="9687" dur="3.06">so don't run from it as a society we need to embrace it>

< start="9690.06" dur="4.56">ya know no doubt in my mind and we'll let's jump valestra let the next chapter>

< start="9694.62" dur="4.92">but first let me close this one out because it's here's what you say in the>

< start="9699.54" dur="5.34">raw humanistic sense without suffering there can be no internal resilience to>

< start="9704.88" dur="5.64">adversity no proper preparedness for the future suffering controlled by you and>

< start="9710.52" dur="3.87">for the right cause can be a building block for both spiritual health and>

< start="9714.39" dur="4.89">mental toughness in a Liberty based nation like the United States we are>

< start="9719.28" dur="6.39">free to fail and to suffer that fortitude is a welcomed and necessary>

< start="9725.67" dur="6">attribute rather than trying to erase suffering at every opportunity we would>

< start="9731.67" dur="10.38">all be wise to value it and seek it out so go do something hard and so this next>

< start="9742.05" dur="5.639">chapter which you are just alluding to is called the stories we tell ourselves>

< start="9747.689" dur="5.101">you say you could tell the story of my life as a succession of hard times and>

< start="9752.79" dur="5.22">heavy burdens you could tell it as an array of kicks to the head interspersed>

< start="9758.01" dur="5.55">with failures my mom died my leg broke my I got blown out my active Commission>

< start="9763.56" dur="4.83">got taken away my fellowship application got denied all these things are>

< start="9768.39" dur="5.07">factually accurate they happened I endured them that is where a lot of>

< start="9773.46" dur="6.09">people would leave it these are things that happened to them from forces beyond>

< start="9779.55" dur="4.53">their control leaving it here leaving it there communicates a handful of ideas>

< start="9784.08" dur="6.66">about someone he's unfortunate he's unlucky he's beaten he's a victim that>

< start="9790.74" dur="5.52">is not where people should leave it stories about burdens borne on their own>

< start="9796.26" dur="3.6">omit the most important parts the responsibility of>

< start="9799.86" dur="5.701">individual the reaction of the individual the growth and maturing of>

< start="9805.561" dur="5.129">the individual the world does something to you because it will always do>

< start="9810.69" dur="7.111">something to you but once it's done that share of the story is over that is where>

< start="9817.801" dur="4.859">your share of the story begins that's the point where the story stops being>

< start="9822.66" dur="9">something done to you and starts being about you and you go into you know we>

< start="9831.66" dur="3.99">talked about your mom dying but you mentioned your leg getting blown there's>

< start="9835.65" dur="2.911">a lot of things that you - a lot of what do you call them hard times heavy>

< start="9838.561" dur="2.37">burdens and failures that you talked about in the book that we haven't even>

< start="9840.931" dur="5.609">touched and again that's why people get the book so they can learn those lessons>

< start="9846.54" dur="5.011">and see what you went through there but also see this you know this is now we're>

< start="9851.551" dur="2.97">getting towards the end of the book where you're starting to tie this stuff>

< start="9854.521" dur="5.79">together and say hey listen you were in hard you were in bad situations how what>

< start="9860.311" dur="4.95">what are you going to do in the face of those bad situations more poignant Lee>

< start="9865.261" dur="5.13">what is the story that you tell yourself yeah and ensure throughout this book is>

< start="9870.391" dur="5.37">a is a particular thread about victimhood ideology and how that>

< start="9875.761" dur="5.119">pertains to outraged culture I would I would argue that victimhood ideology is>

< start="9880.88" dur="6.69">is a tenant of outraged culture it's not surprising that you feel really mad and>

< start="9887.57" dur="5.981">offended and angry and outraged if you also feel like you're oppressed if you>

< start="9893.551" dur="4.47">also feel like you're a victim and you embrace that victimhood this isn't all>

< start="9898.021" dur="5.219">that surprising either it's expected because going back to the hero>

< start="9903.24" dur="5.281">archetypes we've elevated victims why would just be small at pretend and make>

< start="9908.521" dur="4.649">up the story that he got attacked by two mega hat-wearing guys in Chicago at 2:00>

< start="9913.17" dur="7.051">a.m. why would he make that up because we've elevated victims to heroes like>

< start="9920.221" dur="5.219">that's that's why why does Elizabeth Warren claim the lies that she's claimed>

< start="9925.44" dur="3.81">about being Native American or that she was fired for being pregnant these are>

< start="9929.25" dur="3.92">lies they're well-documented lies you know what's interesting is>

< start="9933.17" dur="6">just thinking of the which is it Jessie I'm thinking about that guy's story if>

< start="9939.17" dur="5.91">you were to go back 20 years and someone was gonna make up a story the story that>

< start="9945.08" dur="4.98">they would make up would be I got attacked by two guys and I kicked their>

< start="9950.06" dur="6.93">ass yes really crazy the way our but and that's exactly what I'm talking about>

< start="9956.99" dur="5.489">it's like that's our hero archetypes have shifted so wildly that that the>

< start="9962.479" dur="6.721">more likeable story is getting your ass kicked and then complaining about it as>

< start="9969.2" dur="3.75">opposed to like no I just whupped their ass like that's exactly that's a that's>

< start="9972.95" dur="3.75">a perfect point to make and it in like you know that's why I start the book>

< start="9976.7" dur="5.1">with who is your hero cuz it's such an important concept and in this case it's>

< start="9981.8" dur="3.87">like okay now that you know who your hero is well then you should you should>

< start="9985.67" dur="3.99">identify how you react to hardship not saying hardship doesn't exist victim you>

< start="9989.66" dur="4.71">know when I bash victimhood ideology I'm not saying there are no victims it is>

< start="9994.37" dur="6.06">possible that you truly are a victim by salutely but you know but one that>

< start="10000.43" dur="4.62">should be defined like in just the word injustice needs to be defined better so>

< start="10005.05" dur="4.08">that we can overcome outrage culture and injustice doesn't mean things that>

< start="10009.13" dur="3.54">aren't fair or things that you don't like unfortunately that's how the word>

< start="10012.67" dur="3.9">is used all too often and justice means someone needs someone else is truly>

< start="10016.57" dur="4.5">infringing on your rights rights defined as life liberty and property okay>

< start="10021.07" dur="5.73">injustice can be defined as your due process being taken away some some true>

< start="10026.8" dur="4.17">unfairness or discrimination being implemented against you that can be>

< start="10030.97" dur="6.06">defined as injustice okay an outcome based on something other than your merit>

< start="10037.03" dur="5.85">can be defined as an injustice but but victimhood ideology really turns these>

< start="10042.88" dur="4.11">that really strains these definitions and I think people understand know this>

< start="10046.99" dur="3">intuitively just watch the news and watch how people are reacting on social>

< start="10049.99" dur="3.66">media this is a really big problem it prevents us from telling the right>

< start="10053.65" dur="5.789">stories about injustice and then solving it and overcoming it it's we've been>

< start="10059.439" dur="3.631">encouraged to live in the story of victimhood when something bad happens>

< start="10063.07" dur="5.281">and that may feel good again back to what you're saying before this>

< start="10068.351" dur="4.379">sort of short the the short-term thinking it feels good in the short term>

< start="10072.73" dur="3.691">right it feels like feels like it's somebody else's fault and there's>

< start="10076.421" dur="3.75">there's a comfort in that it's like a warm blanket of self-pity that occurs in>

< start="10080.171" dur="6.24">like comforting but it's also it's it's you could almost say quite literally>

< start="10086.411" dur="4.08">killing you because it leads you down this path of despair that that ends in>

< start="10090.491" dur="4.86">not a good place if you always feel this your things are out of your control and>

< start="10095.351" dur="4.86">you're disempowered and then if you literally cannot get better you'll not>

< start="10100.211" dur="3.6">get better one of the questions that I get asked a lot when working with>

< start="10103.811" dur="4.589">companies they'll say you know what's the biggest obstacle for having a>

< start="10108.4" dur="3.781">culture of extreme ownership and it's really easy answer the answer is the ego>

< start="10112.181" dur="5.69">because when something goes wrong and you have to say hey this is my fault>

< start="10117.871" dur="6.43">well that hurts your ego and that's the biggest thing that people have to>

< start="10124.301" dur="4.86">overcome now the other thing that that's interesting is and you address this here>

< start="10129.161" dur="2.88">so the other thing other question I'll get asked a lot when it comes to extreme>

< start="10132.041" dur="5.16">ownership and I've kind of already mentioned it you know is hey if my kid>

< start="10137.201" dur="3.779">gets sick how do I take ownership of that if I get cancer how do I take>

< start="10140.98" dur="4.531">ownership of that if the market falls apart and we lose all of our money I>

< start="10145.511" dur="4.38">have to let people go how do I take ownership of the of the market how do I>

< start="10149.891" dur="3.99">take ownership of a natural disaster that occurred right so there's good I>

< start="10153.881" dur="8.19">get asked that question and the response is you take ownership of how you how you>

< start="10162.071" dur="6.03">respond to that occurring right when something bad happens and you you you>

< start="10168.101" dur="5.87">you go through the same thing here you say even if I was not totally>

< start="10173.971" dur="6.219">responsible for what happened I was still responsible for what would happen>

< start="10180.19" dur="4.67">mm-hmm and this is after you got after you got removed from the Navy anything>

< start="10184.86" dur="3.341">they didn't kick you out of where they force you to retire right now they>

< start="10188.201" dur="7.08">forced you retire look death that's just happening to you like the big blue Navy>

< start="10195.281" dur="5.189">is going you're done and you can't control it and so>

< start="10200.47" dur="4.23">do you take ownership of that you you take ownership by how you respond to>

< start="10204.7" dur="5.279">that and what you say here's you try and find your next mission right you can>

< start="10209.979" dur="5.971">control the next step there's another important point here that I that I lay>

< start="10215.95" dur="6">out which is the way you describe your history this is important as putting>

< start="10221.95" dur="4.14">yourself in the right psychological framework and we call those get to>

< start="10226.09" dur="6.09">statements like I have to wear an eye patch or I get to wear an eye patch you>

< start="10232.18" dur="2.549">know because it looks cool so that's nice>

< start="10234.729" dur="6.21">all right get to wear the gold tried n tie because it looks cool but you can go>

< start="10240.939" dur="5.071">much deeper than that like I you know in some of the to an extent this is>

< start="10246.01" dur="4.229">self-deception right and and you know that consciously going going into it>

< start="10250.239" dur="4.62">like you know because I use another example like well I I have to pay my>

< start="10254.859" dur="4.981">bills or get to pay my bills because it shows that I'm an adult and I'm living>

< start="10259.84" dur="7.05">responsibly I have to pay taxes or I get to pay taxes that one's harder that>

< start="10266.89" dur="5.639">one's things live in California yeah guys all you do is pay taxes yes we do>

< start="10272.529" dur="4.471">um doesn't pay tax and they're not even synchronizing the lights because if you>

< start="10277" dur="4.38">get to pay taxes that means that you've made enough money yeah to pay taxes so>

< start="10281.38" dur="5.37">I'm saying in in a different country by the way yeah>

< start="10286.75" dur="3.42">I mean it's you know it fundamentally what you're doing there is finding the>

< start="10290.17" dur="4.17">silver lining because the finding the silver lining in a bad situation is>

< start="10294.34" dur="3.87">fundamentally about telling yourself a different story about that situation and>

< start="10298.21" dur="4.08">so it's it's not whistling past the graveyard you know it's it's it's it's>

< start="10302.29" dur="3.66">not it's not ignoring the actual hardship>

< start="10305.95" dur="4.02">it's just forcing yourself to have the fortitude to tell yourself the right>

< start="10309.97" dur="4.61">story about it that that's that that's what the chapter is fundamentally about>

< start="10314.58" dur="7.779">yeah um and it's one of those things you you you read through it you go yeah this>

< start="10322.359" dur="4.141">is the attitude that you would want a kid to have you know you close it out>

< start="10326.5" dur="3.479">here 20 years ago I received a letter in the mail from Rice University the letter>

< start="10329.979" dur="3.811">might as well have been addressed dear failure because it was indeed a letter>

< start="10333.79" dur="2.13">informing that my services were not required at>

< start="10335.92" dur="4.62">the prestigious school I failed to get in 20 years later I became the US>

< start="10340.54" dur="6.06">congressman who represents Rice University the path from that failure to>

< start="10346.6" dur="4.08">my present-day success was not an easy one many more obstacles and failures>

< start="10350.68" dur="5.46">would present themselves every day each against a small obstacle against each>

< start="10356.14" dur="4.62">small obstacle I had to tell the right story in order to stay on the path>

< start="10360.76" dur="6.719">through self-fulfillment failure like suffering has intrinsic value and worth>

< start="10367.479" dur="6.391">should we choose to confront it properly otherwise the ultimate story of success>

< start="10373.87" dur="7.319">whatever that may be for you will never get told the other element here and I'm>

< start="10381.189" dur="5.611">going to listen to that much detail but it's an answer I give when especially>

< start="10386.8" dur="5.28">kids ask how to deal with hardship and I'd like to point out that every>

< start="10392.08" dur="4.02">obstacle is an opportunity and that sounds kind of cliche but it but it's>

< start="10396.1" dur="2.85">really not it's true I wouldn't be a congressman if I hadn't gotten my eye>

< start="10398.95" dur="4.29">blown out this is true I would have stayed in the teams never would have>

< start="10403.24" dur="3.659">left I had no reason to leave it was night I fought very hard not so best job>

< start="10406.899" dur="6.631">ever why would you leave yeah and if I hadn't have been there's so many things>

< start="10413.53" dur="4.369">like it I talked about you know got denied this cool White House fellowship>

< start="10417.899" dur="6.101">if I had gotten that I wouldn't be a congressman you know so technically>

< start="10424" dur="5.67">that's a failure but you know you also also it's not oh well what did you go>

< start="10429.67" dur="3.899">for that fellowship right after Harvard right after Harvard was right after the>

< start="10433.569" dur="4.951">Navy for one year applied for that didn't get it you applied for the White>

< start="10438.52" dur="3.39">House fellowship right and you didn't get it didn't get it and then you're>

< start="10441.91" dur="5.22">like okay cool can't beat them join them well no so ran for Congress cuz now I>

< start="10447.13" dur="5.12">control the funding for the White House fellowship yeah yeah that's right>

< start="10452.25" dur="3.939">Naval Academy didn't well I guess it was actually you can't join them beat them I>

< start="10456.189" dur="4.831">guess yeah yeah I didn't join them sorry you didn't get in the Naval Academy>

< start="10461.02" dur="3.75">either no didn't get in the into the Naval Academy um>

< start="10464.77" dur="3.23">rejected I'm not going to defund the Naval>

< start="10468" dur="8.85">I mean but but but no I didn't get in and what if I had I don't know maybe I>

< start="10476.85" dur="3.66">wouldn't have even made it to buds you know you could argue you know it's just>

< start="10480.51" dur="3.3">different selection process like there's all these you want to hear a little>

< start="10483.81" dur="4.35">story that I tell myself whenever I get some kind of like little injury even if>

< start="10488.16" dur="3.329">it's like a a more significant injury maybe it's something that's gonna make>

< start="10491.489" dur="5.191">take me out of off my training schedule for a month right hurt my knee hurt my>

< start="10496.68" dur="5.599">shoulder or something I always tell myself that that was the greater powers>

< start="10502.279" dur="5.95">way of getting me to not Train cuz the next day I was really gonna get hurt>

< start="10508.229" dur="3.42">yeah the next day I was tough so I'm just like okay cool>

< start="10511.649" dur="3.661">that's God's Way of telling me I'm not supposed to train right now because>

< start="10515.31" dur="3.96">otherwise I was gonna break my neck or something so we're just gonna that's>

< start="10519.27" dur="4.98">right that's the story I tell myself sometimes I think it's a I mean it's not>

< start="10524.25" dur="4.8">a joke I think it's a real I believe in that kind of stuff honestly I Bible I do>

< start="10529.05" dur="4.32">believe that um some things happen for a reason it's up to you to actually react>

< start="10533.37" dur="5.46">to it appropriately but I don't know I actually do believe in that and I think>

< start="10538.83" dur="5.19">that comes out in this in this chapter it's one extent all right next chapter>

< start="10544.02" dur="3.57">you went from the personal story now we're talking about the story of America>

< start="10547.59" dur="5.37">this is this is chapter 10 the individual stories we tell ourselves not>

< start="10552.96" dur="4.08">just about our hardships but about who we are combined to create our American>

< start="10557.04" dur="3.689">story every one of us adds a small thread to the larger fabric of our>

< start="10560.729" dur="6.331">culture and as we change and evolve so do our cultural norms the American story>

< start="10567.06" dur="5.91">itself evolves this isn't a bad thing either it is natural and constant>

< start="10572.97" dur="4.8">throughout history but something is changing for the worse the American>

< start="10577.77" dur="6.33">story itself is being threatened our cultural fabric has often changed and>

< start="10584.1" dur="4.589">evolved but it has never been irreparably torn the closest we ever>

< start="10588.689" dur="4.17">came was a civil war I suggest you that the latest threat to>

< start="10592.859" dur="4.051">our American story is outraged culture identity politics and victimhood>

< start="10596.91" dur="4.65">ideology that it elevates the threat is born of small>

< start="10601.56" dur="4.229">beginnings as big threats so often are it starts with toxic personal narratives>

< start="10605.789" dur="4.95">wrapped in cheap cloth of victimhood always looking to X to an external>

< start="10610.739" dur="4.521">culprit to blame for real or perceived injustice>

< start="10615.26" dur="6.34">so this is the direction you fear that we are heading right now I think we're>

< start="10621.6" dur="7.259">there so pessimistic well it's just well I'll tell you one things I knew you>

< start="10628.859" dur="4.741">talked to I was going to say I was just like when I was I was on with Ben>

< start="10633.6" dur="5.729">Shapiro and I just went up and talked to Candice Owens and you know they live at>

< start="10639.329" dur="5.941">Ground Zero for interacting with crazy people I mean and you're I'm there>

< start="10645.27" dur="4.129">you're not think it becomes all you see as you get a little bit more pessimistic>

< start="10649.399" dur="5.08">exactly and and you know I'm really lucky because you know I work with a>

< start="10654.479" dur="2.94">bunch of different umpah knees all over the country and work with every>

< start="10657.419" dur="3.301">different type of company and work with all levels inside of a company so I'm>

< start="10660.72" dur="4.679">not just out there only talking to the CEOs and the see sweet I'm also out>

< start="10665.399" dur="3.18">there talking to frontline troops communicating with them talking about>

< start="10668.579" dur="3.12">what problems they have so we really get to see and everyone at national in front>

< start="10671.699" dur="6.87">we really get to see the pulse of not only of America over a large span but>

< start="10678.569" dur="4.951">and a bunch of different socio-economic levels and in a bunch of different>

< start="10683.52" dur="9.059">industries whereas I mean Candice and and Ben like they go to they go to speak>

< start="10692.579" dur="6.12">at colleges that's kind of what they do you know and well you're not gonna run>

< start="10698.699" dur="3.42">into the same type of people that I'm gonna run into that's working on a>

< start="10702.119" dur="6.181">construction site or a manufacturing plant in Iowa no you're sure not and I>

< start="10708.3" dur="5.13">do the same thing I've been pleasantly surprised to be perfectly honest with>

< start="10713.43" dur="3.479">you even when I go to colleges and especially high schools I think the>

< start="10716.909" dur="6.63">questions are good there's disagreement it's been it's been good yeah actually>

< start="10723.539" dur="4.471">now that you mention it call just sometimes too and you and you mentioned>

< start="10728.01" dur="3.84">you know you were talking about the kind of crowd that comes in to CMU the>

< start="10731.85" dur="5.28">crowd that comes in to see Candace Owens or Ben Shapiro sure there's people that>

< start="10737.13" dur="3.149">want to see them that have like a conservative viewpoint but they probably>

< start="10740.279" dur="7.021">attract at least as many if not more lunatics to do and it's I have seen it>

< start="10747.3" dur="6.03">happen less over time also because you know they've been in Candace and Charley>

< start="10753.33" dur="3.569">Kirk day that is kind of what they're looking for because they want the debate>

< start="10756.899" dur="4.411">to happen on camera I personally I enjoy it too like I want>

< start="10761.31" dur="3.389">I want people on the left to come and debate me>

< start="10764.699" dur="3.21">mm-hm and I'm gonna you know that's what I want that's it's one of the reasons>

< start="10767.909" dur="3.24">I'm doing it if it's just a bunch of people they're agreeing with me that I'm>

< start="10771.149" dur="5.401">not I'm not making a lot of progress it's really just a rally at that point>

< start="10776.55" dur="4.979">and there's value in that too but but we are going there for the confrontation I>

< start="10781.529" dur="4.59">just want it to be respectful and fact-based and and and it's not always>

< start="10786.119" dur="2.58">that way I've had some interesting experiences where it's just it just>

< start="10788.699" dur="5.151">devolves into an emotional ramblings but I felt so had some really interesting>

< start="10793.85" dur="4.089">public debates and like that's kind of unusual for a politician to do see>

< start="10797.939" dur="3.571">that's the candice owens and ben shapiro model it's unusual for a politician to>

< start="10801.51" dur="2.939">do because we can get in so much more trouble doing it because it's dangerous>

< start="10804.449" dur="4.051">yes it's it's you don't know how that's gonna go people setting up ambushes on>

< start="10808.5" dur="4.26">you yeah gotcha moment right right and so just be prepared for it and>

< start="10812.76" dur="4.109">you'll be fine know what you're talking about you know it's it's and so I do it>

< start="10816.869" dur="5.61">and it's um but uh I enjoy it quite a bit so that you know but okay but back>

< start="10822.479" dur="5.25">to the original question which is are we are we there as a culture and the answer>

< start="10827.729" dur="3.93">is kind of like it's worse than it used to be how about that you know whether>

< start="10831.659" dur="3.301">whether we're like we're in a disaster area right now with respect to>

< start="10834.96" dur="3.899">victimhood ideology and identity politics that's up that could be debated>

< start="10838.859" dur="3.241">forever and it kind of depends on what your standard is like whoa what does it>

< start="10842.1" dur="4.53">look like to be over the edge on that like I'm not sure I just know it's worse>

< start="10846.63" dur="6">I just know it's gotten a lot worse and other and III referenced Jonathan Hyde>

< start="10852.63" dur="4.5">quite a bit in this book one of my favorite authors and his book the>

< start="10857.13" dur="2.88">coddling of the American mind is a great read if you're if you're really looking>

< start="10860.01" dur="4.29">to examine how this evolved on college campuses and they can really examine it>

< start="10864.3" dur="4.599">down to the year about 2013 which and then they examine>

< start="10868.899" dur="3">all the reasons for this you know this sort of outraged culture and even then>

< start="10871.899" dur="4.401">though they they they point out it's it's mostly at the coastal elite>

< start="10876.3" dur="4.359">institutions it happens a lot less on other college campuses where listen the>

< start="10880.659" dur="4.261">reality is most college kids just want to get drunk and like get through their>

< start="10884.92" dur="7.26">next class and you know that they're not super hyped up about politics the social>

< start="10892.18" dur="3.389">media the fact and those of us who live within the world of social media also>

< start="10895.569" dur="4.201">makes us believe that like you need you that it's a lot worse than it really is>

< start="10899.77" dur="4.32">and you have to remove yourself from that and so you won't see me using>

< start="10904.09" dur="5.099">examples in this book of people on social media you'll see me using>

< start="10909.189" dur="7.14">examples from leaders in our country and like big you know big media companies>

< start="10916.329" dur="5.46">like the New York Times you know really pushing these narratives so I'm not>

< start="10921.789" dur="6.03">getting my my evidence for this problem from random commentators even if I could>

< start="10927.819" dur="3.061">count thousands of them because it's like what are thousands a tiny tiny>

< start="10930.88" dur="3.72">little itty bitty fraction in the United States what matters is the leaders and>

< start="10934.6" dur="3.899">how that's changed over time so that's why I come at this and I say you know>

< start="10938.499" dur="3.69">what there is a real problem here and we're there because our leaders are>

< start="10942.189" dur="4.741">talking like this like this is a bigger movement than just some idiots on>

< start="10946.93" dur="4.019">Twitter it's bigger than that and so that you know that's so that's why I>

< start="10950.949" dur="5.431">think it's such a because it gives if I couldn't find those examples then then I>

< start="10956.38" dur="4.8">would argue that yeah maybe I'm over blowing it but the victimhood ideology>

< start="10961.18" dur="8.04">is a it's here and I could you know from what you just read the argument I'm>

< start="10969.22" dur="3.509">making there unless you were gonna go on to something else>

< start="10972.729" dur="3.241">go ahead see the argument I'm making there is that there's a series of steps>

< start="10975.97" dur="3.509">that have led to this moment where we're telling a different story about of>

< start="10979.479" dur="5.01">America and I give an analysis of analysis of how its victimhood ideology>

< start="10984.489" dur="3.54">that's created there's a lot of elements but victimhood ideology is a big one>

< start="10988.029" dur="3.84">it's because it firsts are small as I note there it's of small beginnings>

< start="10991.869" dur="4.83">where you're blaming somebody else like maybe it's your platoon commander who>

< start="10996.699" dur="4.861">just didn't see the value in you way they should have mm-hmm which by the>

< start="11001.56" dur="3.54">way if you talk to modern military commanders is a problem with you know a>

< start="11005.1" dur="3.87">younger generation like they're seeing these differences in how it is to manage>

< start="11008.97" dur="4.77">troops it's it's just it's different it's hard it's hard it's not the same>

< start="11013.74" dur="4.68">like I came into the SEAL Teams thinking okay like I have to I feel like I have>

< start="11018.42" dur="5.7">to earn my way here newer newer maybe team guys maybe not team guys but>

< start="11024.12" dur="6.09">definitely the military newer troops are thinking like they're owed more than or>

< start="11030.21" dur="3.54">their the organization itself has a duty to them but not the other way around>

< start="11033.75" dur="4.65">like a duty to give them more responsibility and and leadership or>

< start="11038.4" dur="5.28">whatever and but but they haven't quite burned it yet like more status without>

< start="11043.68" dur="3.51">earning it yet this is something we've this is something when I talk to leaders>

< start="11047.19" dur="3.78">I don't I'm curious what your perception is on this because you talked to so many>

< start="11050.97" dur="7.38">corporate leaders and how it is to to manage the different generations not>

< start="11058.35" dur="6.81">only corporations but also still talking to military troops and there's always>

< start="11065.16" dur="7.44">people well this is a question that I get asked all the time and it's you know>

< start="11072.6" dur="4.89">what's wrong with my team mm-hmm and you could probably guess how I answer that>

< start="11077.49" dur="4.739">this is a leadership problem and well one of the things I'd fall back to all>

< start="11082.229" dur="3.991">the time so I don't know that I can think of a>

< start="11086.22" dur="6.75">more difficult workforce to deal with then being then dealing with draftees in>

< start="11092.97" dur="5.13">Vietnam in the Vietnam War people that did not believe in the cause did not>

< start="11098.1" dur="6.42">want to do the job and in doing the job their life and limb was at risk you>

< start="11104.52" dur="5.33">cannot think of a more difficult work force to try and deal with so I've read>

< start="11109.85" dur="7.05">many many many many many books about Vietnam I've interviewed many Vietnam>

< start="11116.9" dur="8.23">veterans leaders and and troops and here's the deal good leaders good>

< start="11125.13" dur="5.849">leaders and my first example is colonel david hackworth who's like my my>

< start="11130.979" dur="4.891">personal mentor you I never met him but I read his book many>

< start="11135.87" dur="4.53">times and all this books many times but when he talks about the draftees and he>

< start="11140.4" dur="3.93">was he was in Korea and he was in Vietnam he's a battalion commander in>

< start="11144.33" dur="3.81">Vietnam he was one of the most decorated guys ever and when he would talk and he>

< start="11148.14" dur="4.049">was a complete lifer this guy worshipped the army it was the oh he was in the>

< start="11152.189" dur="5.971">military since 15 years old it was all he ever knew and when he would talk>

< start="11158.16" dur="3.27">about his draftees and when he talks about him in his book about face he>

< start="11161.43" dur="5.22">loved his draftees and he loved his draftees because guess what they would>

< start="11166.65" dur="3.63">call it they would call bullshit when they didn't think he was making a good>

< start="11170.28" dur="3.54">call they would give him pressure against what he was saying to do if it>

< start="11173.82" dur="5.13">didn't make sense they would test him they would push back and as a leader he>

< start="11178.95" dur="4.56">thought that's exactly what I want that's exactly what I want is I don't>

< start="11183.51" dur="4.77">want people I don't want a bunch of robots I had one of his company>

< start="11188.28" dur="6.39">commanders on the podcast who retired as a general Mucca Mucca Yama general>

< start="11194.67" dur="5.55">ookayama fantastic guy and I asked him I said he was a company commander in>

< start="11200.22" dur="4.32">Vietnam and I said what because I this is this question I hear all the time I>

< start="11204.54" dur="6.06">said you know sir what did you think of your of your draftees in Vietnam and he>

< start="11210.6" dur="6.48">said I I really couldn't tell who was a draftee and who wasn't and so then you>

< start="11217.08" dur="3.93">read other books and what it boils down to is and most of the books the other>

< start="11221.01" dur="4.14">books that I read are like interviews with people and if you have leaders that>

< start="11225.15" dur="5.85">are not good leaders guess what they do they complain about the draftees about>

< start="11231" dur="3.66">how they they push back they didn't follow orders people like William Calley>

< start="11234.66" dur="5.85">in charge of the meal I mascar what did he think he hated draftees because he's>

< start="11240.51" dur="5.76">a shitty leader and so when you talk to me about a millennial that the>

< start="11246.27" dur="5.43">characteristics of a millennial hey they they they think they deserve stuff they>

< start="11251.7" dur="2.489">want to know why they're doing what they're doing they wanted to have>

< start="11254.189" dur="3.031">ownership of stuff they think they deserve to be in charge of stuff and I'm>

< start="11257.22" dur="3.99">like bring me that new guy I'll take that new guy any day of the week and>

< start="11261.21" dur="3.15">I'll take that new guy and be like okay you want you want to run something you>

< start="11264.36" dur="2.799">won't know it you wonder why you're what you're doing absolutely you deserve>

< start="11267.159" dur="2.221">that that's decentralized command you need to know why you're doing what>

< start="11269.38" dur="3.479">you're doing perfect you want to take ownership and stuff absolutely>

< start="11272.859" dur="3.931">you you think you should be in a higher elevated position good>

< start="11276.79" dur="8.34">let's get you there so we can always complain about the junior generation the>

< start="11285.13" dur="4.08">freaking kids and the teams right now are way better than I was when I checked>

< start="11289.21" dur="3.779">in as a new guy are you kidding me they're way better they're tough>

< start="11292.989" dur="3.901">bastards - it's not like they're just more technically you know some people>

< start="11296.89" dur="3.57">say well you know the new generation is more tech-savvy it's like yeah they are>

< start="11300.46" dur="6.96">and they're tough as hell so when we start talking about what the problems>

< start="11307.42" dur="6.45">with is with our troops what a good leader does it says okay there's these I>

< start="11313.87" dur="3.69">need to treat this guy with I need I need to make some maneuvers here to get>

< start="11317.56" dur="3.96">this person on board with the program because it's not like some young army>

< start="11321.52" dur="3.69">guys like I don't want to do a good job it's not like some person at a tech>

< start="11325.21" dur="3.359">company some person that just graduated from college and went to a tech>

< start="11328.569" dur="4.17">companies like you know what I don't want to do well here like no they want>

< start="11332.739" dur="5.04">to do well now they might have some high visions of themselves cool whose job is>

< start="11337.779" dur="4.17">it to put those visions into check whose job is explained to them listen man I'm>

< start="11341.949" dur="3">glad you want to step up and run everything that's awesome>

< start="11344.949" dur="4.2">let me ask you this do you even understand how this you know how the>

< start="11349.149" dur="3.691">economy of our business is working right now if you explain this here look at>

< start="11352.84" dur="2.91">this look at this spreadsheet and explain what this means I have no idea>

< start="11355.75" dur="3.81">okay cool let's get you educated on this let's get you to learn this cuz you know>

< start="11359.56" dur="3.48">what I do want you to elevate I want you to take over this company that's fine>

< start="11363.04" dur="4.47">but you've got to learn this stuff I think so as a leader we got a we got to>

< start="11367.51" dur="3.21">look at people and this is again this happens all the time and it happens>

< start="11370.72" dur="4.8">within wonpil tune you know I guarantee you had guys in your platoon that fought>

< start="11375.52" dur="3.299">they knew everything and you had some guys that were like happy to be here and>

< start="11378.819" dur="3.87">they're just humble you get you get all these guys you get all these guys and is>

< start="11382.689" dur="3.72">there some little difference in the generations sure there's always>

< start="11386.409" dur="3.481">difference in the generations no freaking generation was as hard as mine>

< start="11389.89" dur="4.559">right we always hear that you know the guys when I got to the teams it was like>

< start="11394.449" dur="2.131">the guys from the 70s were like oh the guy>

< start="11396.58" dur="3.54">in the 80s a week and then the guys in the ad said the guys from the 90s a week>

< start="11400.12" dur="4.35">like let's just keep going how do we reflect things as a leader make>

< start="11404.47" dur="3.72">adjustments when if my team is not performing well I'm a hundred percent>

< start="11408.19" dur="4.44">responsible for it if my team has a bad attitude I'm a hundred percent response>

< start="11412.63" dur="2.7">before it and I'm gonna get it fixed that's what I'm gonna do I'm responsible>

< start="11415.33" dur="6.9">to do that yeah and that's it that's a very nuanced look at this I'm>

< start="11422.23" dur="6.05">always asking this question because I'm a millennial you know it's silly and>

< start="11428.28" dur="5.68">it's hard to generalize a generation you just can't but but you have to ->

< start="11433.96" dur="3.811">there are stereotypes exist for a reason so it's it's it's good for analysis to>

< start="11437.771" dur="4.649">try and figure that out and and I don't know I don't know where I fall on it>

< start="11442.42" dur="5.641">because I see the I see I do see some bad aspects it's an you know wanting>

< start="11448.061" dur="5.189">more responsibility was maybe the wrong thing to to hit on as a negative>

< start="11453.25" dur="5.55">attribute that's obviously a good thing but it also but sometimes it's>

< start="11458.8" dur="7.8">accompanied by a not so humble belief that that somebody is victimizing them>

< start="11466.6" dur="4.2">and preventing them from moving up because of some kind of oppression and>

< start="11470.8" dur="5.16">that's and if I get someone like that on my team who's responsible for fixing>

< start="11475.96" dur="4.02">that attitude I I can promise you right now we'll play the question game all day>

< start="11479.98" dur="3.09">long and I do this I do this with every level of leadership I have people coming>

< start="11483.07" dur="1.951">you know my team's all jacked up okay cool>

< start="11485.021" dur="5.04">who's in charge of your team well yeah that's right you are or someone say my>

< start="11490.061" dur="2.219">frontline troops aren't doing 100 who's in charge your front>

< start="11492.28" dur="3.48">frontline troops it's bill okay who's in charge of Bill Mike who's in charge of>

< start="11495.76" dur="3.99">Mike me that's right you you're responsible for what's going on down>

< start="11499.75" dur="5.4">there and if there's attitudes that you don't like man you're responsible for it>

< start="11505.15" dur="3.871">now you are absolutely responsible for it and if you're a good leader you can>

< start="11509.021" dur="4.589">get those attitudes to shift in the right direction and generally by doing>

< start="11513.61" dur="3.06">exactly what we're talking about when and you and I were having a conversation>

< start="11516.67" dur="4.891">earlier it's like if they understand why these decisions are being made or why>

< start="11521.561" dur="4.859">they actually need to learn some of these frontline jobs before they can>

< start="11526.42" dur="2.631">move up the chain of command if they understand that they have a path>

< start="11529.051" dur="4.83">for mobility - to increase their pay and increase their responsibilities inside>

< start="11533.881" dur="3.659">of an organization okay okay cool thank you for telling me that and now I'm>

< start="11537.54" dur="7.141">gonna go get after it as opposed to millennial suck yeah and I kick and I>

< start="11544.681" dur="4.41">can't I can't deal with no it's like okay cool yeah okay I mean I guess it's>

< start="11549.091" dur="4.109">I guess that's why I wrote the book right because because I do see these>

< start="11553.2" dur="5.49">things as problems and I don't see them in my team my team is great and they're>

< start="11558.69" dur="7.231">Millennials or younger so obviously something is working there maybe that's>

< start="11565.921" dur="4.739">because I hired the right people with the right temperament who's in charge of>

< start="11570.66" dur="4.83">doing that well me exactly exactly so when you when you meet someone that says>

< start="11575.49" dur="2.281">oh I got these horrible people on my team Oh>

< start="11577.771" dur="3.24">have you tried to fix them yeah but I can't fix them well a whose fault is>

< start="11581.011" dur="4.109">that B who actually hired these people in the first place if you if you can sit>

< start="11585.12" dur="2.61">down with someone and you interview them or you hire them and then they're>

< start="11587.73" dur="2.701">horrible and they have a horrible attitude and they don't want to be a>

< start="11590.431" dur="3.149">part of the team great you're not gonna be a part of my team yeah you're not>

< start="11593.58" dur="2.9">gonna be a part of my team if that's if that's what you bring to the table and>

< start="11596.48" dur="4.96">so and so this book I think is like what I'm trying to do is look at a broader>

< start="11601.44" dur="5.97">cultural problem because it is it it is and and then try to give lessons to fix>

< start="11607.41" dur="5.37">it you know because for all the reasons you just stated it's like it's it's we>

< start="11612.78" dur="4.92">have to take ownership of our culture as well it's not just 200 our team that we>

< start="11617.7" dur="3.271">can you know you should of course and that you can control a lot when you're>

< start="11620.971" dur="5.069">leading a team but we've got to come together as a culture and be better>

< start="11626.04" dur="5.551">because as I as a part you read as an individual you're an individual thread>

< start="11631.591" dur="5.37">and the larger fabric of society and our culture is being transformed and not in>

< start="11636.961" dur="4.89">a good way and I hope the problem isn't as bad as I kind of make it out to be>

< start="11641.851" dur="6.54">but um you know what worst case scenario I'm wrong and and things are going in a>

< start="11648.391" dur="3.54">great deal I wouldn't say worst case scenario>

< start="11651.931" dur="2.7">you're wrong I mean clearly there are indicators of>

< start="11654.631" dur="3.779">what you're talking about and as you said you're not talking about people on>

< start="11658.41" dur="3.28">Twitter you're talking about mainstream yeah>

< start="11661.69" dur="6.7">organizations that that proceed in this direction in the analysis because I went>

< start="11668.39" dur="2.94">on off on a tangent talking about Millennials and the management issues>

< start="11671.33" dur="6.93">with them so the analysis I go into is it goes something like this you believe>

< start="11678.26" dur="2.37">in a victimhood ideology believe that somebody else is to blame>

< start="11680.63" dur="3.03">maybe beats your team maybe it's our boss maybe it's your parent maybe it's>

< start="11683.66" dur="3.87">your teacher whatever it is somebody else's fault okay you're in that you're>

< start="11687.53" dur="4.71">living that story about yourself individually that is expanded it's>

< start="11692.24" dur="4.02">expanded to groups it's expanded to this sort of group on group identity politics>

< start="11696.26" dur="4.53">not my fate is tied to an immutable characteristic that is tied to a group>

< start="11700.79" dur="5.76">maybe it's race maybe it's gender maybe it's socio-economic in nature and by by>

< start="11706.55" dur="3.93">consequence there is another group oppressing my group okay so it's group>

< start="11710.48" dur="3.69">on group politics this is identity politics to the courts it's it's the>

< start="11714.17" dur="3.93">promise of more power from one group to another okay you're telling somebody>

< start="11718.1" dur="4.11">they're a victim and you're telling them that you're the champion of them against>

< start="11722.21" dur="4.65">the oppressors so that's the next thing but then it evolved even more than that>

< start="11726.86" dur="4.32">it evolves into these kind of institutional conflicts and so it's not>

< start="11731.18" dur="4.11">just a group that's oppressing you that group is tied to a broader institution>

< start="11735.29" dur="4.981">maybe that institution is the church maybe that institution is is some kind>

< start="11740.271" dur="3.479">of you know cultural institution maybe it's a merit merits and maybe it's a>

< start="11743.75" dur="5.61">meritocracy that to me that's an institution this notion that we compete>

< start="11749.36" dur="5.4">based off of merit and that your reward is tied to how well you perform or your>

< start="11754.76" dur="4.83">talent right the meritocracy is an important institutional construct in our>

< start="11759.59" dur="2.971">culture okay there's other institutions too like the>

< start="11762.561" dur="4.169">Supreme Court when we're talking about packing the Supreme Court you're talking>

< start="11766.73" dur="4.35">about tearing down an institution those government institutions there's cultural>

< start="11771.08" dur="4.65">institutions there's social institutions you know the the word institution is>

< start="11775.73" dur="5.94">malleable in that sense and it should describe a kind of a cultural framework>

< start="11781.67" dur="5.101">that we operate and I think those come under attack you know because it's it's>

< start="11786.771" dur="7.349">the institution's fault I talk about um Thomas Sol he's an economist and Hoover>

< start="11794.12" dur="6.069">Institute and Stan amazing amazing thinker and author he>

< start="11800.189" dur="7.231">talks about how the French Revolution was they that the led by Rousseau who>

< start="11807.42" dur="5.54">was free it was it was based on this idea that the natural state of things>

< start="11812.96" dur="5.739">involves no suffering but that it is institutions that caused suffering well>

< start="11818.699" dur="3.091">that's a really interesting concept it's like this belief that that life is>

< start="11821.79" dur="7.59">actually it is not it is not natural in life to to be oppressed or to be to go>

< start="11829.38" dur="3.269">through suffering it is not natural what is natural it is>

< start="11832.649" dur="3.661">and it is the unnatural institutions man-made institutions that created your>

< start="11836.31" dur="3.21">suffering therefore we must revolutionize those>

< start="11839.52" dur="3.99">institutions tear them down and build our utopia this was how the French>

< start="11843.51" dur="3.54">Revolution happened this is how 17,000 people were dead in the next few years>

< start="11847.05" dur="4.8">from the from the terror that ensued it is the thinking that led to Marxism and>

< start="11851.85" dur="6.5">the horrors of the 20th century all right this is this isn't all that>

< start="11858.35" dur="4.29">controversial of a statement to make it's just kind of how it happened and>

< start="11862.64" dur="5.41">that that is how that is how the progressive left thinks as well that it>

< start="11868.05" dur="3.929">is these these it comes from somewhere like progressivism has a history just>

< start="11871.979" dur="4.26">like conservatism has a history and it is it is a history based on this kind of>

< start="11876.239" dur="5.671">your your feelings are correct if you feel something it must be right and and>

< start="11881.91" dur="6.42">you should and the injustice is against you are always man-made and they're>

< start="11888.33" dur="3.48">always come from an oppressor they're never a natural part of life therefore>

< start="11891.81" dur="4.44">government is there to fix those institutions and that's why you must>

< start="11896.25" dur="7.59">proceed with the revolution this is the thinking that occurs ok so that ends up>

< start="11903.84" dur="2.82">once you've torn down the institutions there's another ultimate oppressor and>

< start="11906.66" dur="4.26">it's the american founding itself that's the story of America that keeps getting>

< start="11910.92" dur="3.84">told and that worries me a great deal we didn't used to fight about that the left>

< start="11914.76" dur="2.729">and the right did not fight about the story of America the way we're fighting>

< start="11917.489" dur="5.611">about it now and it's become this question of whether America was have>

< start="11923.1" dur="5.7">been founded on anything good at all that's a pro that's that's the story>

< start="11928.8" dur="3.87">being spun and it stems from this individual victimhood identity politics>

< start="11932.67" dur="5.489">and again I'm not making this up I'm not because I'm looking at major leaders>

< start="11938.159" dur="3.271">that say these kind of things you know I quote bado>

< start="11941.43" dur="4.799">I quote Ilhan Omar America was founded on genocide not not that America>

< start="11946.229" dur="4.14">committed genocide that would be an accurate statement you know but America>

< start="11950.369" dur="3.381">was founded on it that implies a very different meaning>

< start="11953.75" dur="5.14">saying that white supremacy is a problem is a true statement saying we were>

< start="11958.89" dur="5.49">founded on it that's a different implication you're you're indicted the>

< start="11964.38" dur="4.62">american founding itself so what does that lead to well it leads to popularity>

< start="11969" dur="3.27">with burning the American flag please the popularity with kneeling for the>

< start="11972.27" dur="4.259">national anthem it leads to popularity with with with with attacking the Pledge>

< start="11976.529" dur="4.981">of Allegiance as an institution in and of itself it leads to it leads to the>

< start="11981.51" dur="10.019">New York Times public is just okay on the 4th of July like it leads you know I>

< start="11991.529" dur="3.63">open up in this chapter talking about the the New York Times going after the>

< start="11995.159" dur="8.37">Apollo 11 50th anniversary basically praising the USSR instead of America on>

< start="12003.529" dur="4.08">this day it's like why is that why is that the reaction because because>

< start="12007.609" dur="5.941">there's this need to to tear down the institutions of America at its core why>

< start="12013.55" dur="5.04">is that well because you need to tear something down at its core if you want>

< start="12018.59" dur="4.62">to implement the revolutionary utopia that you envision so this is the most>

< start="12023.21" dur="3.42">political chapter by far right this is where I really delve into the>

< start="12026.63" dur="3.33">differences like the real deep differences between conservatism and>

< start="12029.96" dur="4.47">progressivism because I I nailed conservatives a little bit on this too>

< start="12034.43" dur="3.54">as far as the victimhood ideology goes like it's a different form of ideology>

< start="12037.97" dur="3.149">it's a different form of victimhood but it occurs and it's sort of in and it>

< start="12041.119" dur="4.32">occurs up to the up to the limits of tearing down institutions ok>

< start="12045.439" dur="4.05">conservatives have a very inherent distrust of government institutions like>

< start="12049.489" dur="7.29">sometimes to a conspiratorial degree but we stop wasting the founding of America>

< start="12056.779" dur="4.821">and then the solutions to this problem which is what I really and the>

< start="12061.6" dur="6.45">after with I make a very strong argument for against against progressivism as a>

< start="12068.05" dur="5.37">solution to these problems mostly because progressivism at its heart is a>

< start="12073.42" dur="6">promise to end your suffering and that is an inherently dishonest promise to>

< start="12079.42" dur="3.12">make for the reasons I just say again that's the the basis of the French>

< start="12082.54" dur="3.84">Revolution we can end your suffering because it's man-made it's not natural>

< start="12086.38" dur="5.01">the natural state of things is for you to live in a wonderful utopia prancing>

< start="12091.39" dur="2.46">around in the trees or whatever the heck they were imagining it doesn't make any>

< start="12093.85" dur="4.2">sense because it's not real and so to tell somebody that you will in their>

< start="12098.05" dur="3.479">suffering to tell them that you can replace God with government because what>

< start="12101.529" dur="3.241">is what is what is religion fundamentally it's like the Jesus took>

< start="12104.77" dur="5.009">on the crucifixion and the the The Passion of the Christ is about him>

< start="12109.779" dur="5.491">taking on the suffering because there's a spiritual element to this and it and>

< start="12115.27" dur="8.639">that and that can't be that can't be replaced by a government ideology and>

< start="12123.909" dur="3.691">fundamentally it's its basic level that's what progressivism attempts to>

< start="12127.6" dur="4.95">promise people and I also tried to define what I mean by the progressive>

< start="12132.55" dur="4.229">movement very carefully in the book because I don't want there's a lot of>

< start="12136.779" dur="3.151">people who identify as progressive because you know they just got back from>

< start="12139.93" dur="3.66">a gay wedding or they like to smoke some pot or they like tattoos or whatever or>

< start="12143.59" dur="5.16">they do yoga you know like like that's I I've defined that very carefully as>

< start="12148.75" dur="4.229">social progressivism in the modern sense and like that's just not what we're>

< start="12152.979" dur="4.05">talking about here I'm talking about the deeper underlying politics and history>

< start="12157.029" dur="3.63">of the progressive movement and what it's fundamentally promising people>

< start="12160.659" dur="5.521">talking about the role of government in your life and you know because again I>

< start="12166.18" dur="2.67">want this to be readable to a lot of different people but this is the most>

< start="12168.85" dur="7.98">political chapter by far you know one thing that speaking of the tattooed yoga>

< start="12176.83" dur="6.989">whatever person I was a really rebellious kid right and I think at some>

< start="12183.819" dur="9.241">point there's gonna have to be like a like a Republican with a mohawk and face>

< start="12193.06" dur="5.43">tattoos that's gonna come out and say like hey I>

< start="12198.49" dur="10.361">have face tattoos I like whatever genre of underground subculture music I don't>

< start="12208.851" dur="8.149">want to conform to anything and the best way to live that life is to actually>

< start="12217" dur="5.71">support conservative values because conservative values support individual>

< start="12222.71" dur="3.36">freedom and that's what I believe in yeah and I think that's what's gonna get>

< start="12226.07" dur="4.8">some of these cuz let's face it an 18 year old kid wants to be>

< start="12230.87" dur="2.85">rebellious why because they trying to get out of the house they're trying to>

< start="12233.72" dur="2.19">show their dad but they don't need them anymore trying to show their mom they>

< start="12235.91" dur="3.361">don't need them anymore so I'm leading a mohawk and we're gonna tattoo on my neck>

< start="12239.271" dur="4.259">and I'm gonna move forward into the world and and other kids look around>

< start="12243.53" dur="7.44">okay that's how we're rebelling but at some point you go actually it just blows>

< start="12250.97" dur="5.91">my mind that people say you know you go up to anyone and say um you know do you>

< start="12256.88" dur="2.34">want the government to be in charge of anything you go up to someone with a>

< start="12259.22" dur="4.35">mohawk and if yeah or whatever and they're like no way man no way man and>

< start="12263.57" dur="3.451">then you go cool why would you vote for the government to be in more charge of>

< start="12267.021" dur="4.62">more of our lives I just don't think that connection gets made often enough>

< start="12271.641" dur="5.699">no it doesn't and I deal with this often and since I talked to most not mostly>

< start="12277.34" dur="5.64">but um I'm a politician who there's a lot more youth engagement than most>

< start="12282.98" dur="5.1">politicians do and so I address this directly like how>

< start="12288.08" dur="4.08">do you as a conservative young person how do you make the case for>

< start="12292.16" dur="5.97">conservatism to your your fellow young people who kind of live by this kind of>

< start="12298.13" dur="4.74">libertarian and what you described as sort of a libertarian an extra>

< start="12302.87" dur="3.99">rebellious libertarian these people who kind of live by this notion of you know>

< start="12306.86" dur="6.18">social progressivism and freedom but but fundamentally they believe in a kind of>

< start="12313.04" dur="4.44">Republican form of government that is out of your life and you know fiscally>

< start="12317.48" dur="3.93">responsible you know they they live by this mantra well I'm socially liberal>

< start="12321.41" dur="2.91">but fiscally conservative right that's what people say and then they vote>

< start="12324.32" dur="5.4">Democrat 100% like almost 100% of the time so it's it's a mantra>

< start="12329.72" dur="5.28">that makes them feel good but it doesn't mean anything to them and I mean delving>

< start="12335" dur="4.35">into this is like my life's work at this point yeah I feel something so I'm so>

< start="12339.35" dur="2.91">glad I don't have to talk about the stuff okay I'll do it once a year with>

< start="12342.26" dur="6.12">you but it's a super interesting thing and you're like like why why is your>

< start="12348.38" dur="4.53">entire vote your entire vote on a political party based on the abortion>

< start="12352.91" dur="4.739">issue I mean it doesn't make sense it's not it's not a rational decision I'm>

< start="12357.649" dur="4.231">sorry it's just not especially because that issue will not affect you you know>

< start="12361.88" dur="2.099">because you because people will say this and they've got like three kids and>

< start="12363.979" dur="3.031">they're like well and they would never get an abortion themselves it's like>

< start="12367.01" dur="3.36">this doesn't affect you at all you know you can make a pretty good argument this>

< start="12370.37" dur="3.42">should be decided at the state level and yet you are voting 100% because of this>

< start="12373.79" dur="6.81">issue at the federal level this is not a rational decision and or gay marriage>

< start="12380.6" dur="3.6">it's like that's definitely not a rational decision considering it's not>

< start="12384.2" dur="3.09">even argued about anymore like that's the Supreme Court's done>

< start="12387.29" dur="5.7">with that one so it doesn't you know it's it's really surprising to see how>

< start="12392.99" dur="4.53">people think about these things and and so I guess bring it back to the book my>

< start="12397.52" dur="3.18">point is I'm trying to distinguish there I'm trying to distinguish this into a>

< start="12400.7" dur="3.659">role of like what our intuitive conversation about what government is>

< start="12404.359" dur="5.221">actually for and how that manifests into victimhood ideology how that manifests>

< start="12409.58" dur="4.05">into the story about America because again I can make it it's a very short>

< start="12413.63" dur="5.61">path from victim and ideology and in America as an oppressor to hatred of>

< start="12419.24" dur="4.26">America itself and I only I only quote the big ones I only quote you know>

< start="12423.5" dur="4.649">Taylor Swift because she's a cultural icon you know and she's out there saying>

< start="12428.149" dur="4.08">if you're not a cisgender white male your rights are being stripped away>

< start="12432.229" dur="4.561">that's a Taylor Swift quote that's an amazing thing to say from one of the>

< start="12436.79" dur="4.8">most successful prosperous people in the world why would she believe that what is>

< start="12441.59" dur="5.58">happening that she believes this thing that is so fundamentally not true that>

< start="12447.17" dur="7.17">is so easy to to debunk why would she believe this why did a OC believe that>

< start="12454.34" dur="4.559">she's the next one I quote which is like what did she say my generation has never>

< start="12458.899" dur="6.001">known American prosperity how does that make any sense I mean it>

< start="12464.9" dur="6.54">only makes sense in this context where if God are you really insane yeah it>

< start="12471.44" dur="3.93">only makes sense when you understand that the goal is to elevate victimhood>

< start="12475.37" dur="5.431">and then they use that and then they use that to tear down the story of America>

< start="12480.801" dur="5.939">itself and it's a it's it's such a dangerous path that we're on that we>

< start="12486.74" dur="5.821">want to revolutionize the foundations of our prosperity to such an extent and>

< start="12492.561" dur="3.509">again the only way to justify the only way to make people believe that their>

< start="12496.07" dur="3.3">eyes are lying to them that all the good things around them are just lies the>

< start="12499.37" dur="4.351">only way to make them believe that is to constantly is to constantly hammer them>

< start="12503.721" dur="4.559">with this crisis narrative with this false narrative that people are trying>

< start="12508.28" dur="3.061">to oppress them or there's other people being oppressed and you've never met>

< start="12511.341" dur="3.87">them but guess what it's happening and if you don't and if you don't raise your>

< start="12515.211" dur="3.569">fist against the injustice then you're part of the problem you and your white>

< start="12518.78" dur="7.231">privilege it's this is happening in such an extreme level you know and it's and>

< start="12526.011" dur="3.33">again the good news is is like people listening like well I haven't seen it>

< start="12529.341" dur="2.519">and look good that's good but it is happening>

< start="12531.86" dur="4.26">ya know I mean you gotta be aware like you said there's evidence big evidence>

< start="12536.12" dur="5.46">from from real players out there that that preached this and and live this>

< start="12541.58" dur="5.761">sort of life it's kind of interesting man because we on this podcast>

< start="12547.341" dur="7.05">very seldom talk about politics at all and yet people kind of know where I>

< start="12554.391" dur="8.849">stand and they kind of you know just it's all good well like you said it is>

< start="12563.24" dur="4.38">real things that is going on um it is a problem and that's the one thing that I>

< start="12567.62" dur="6.151">would say is very nice about your book is that it is a first of all it explains>

< start="12573.771" dur="5.219">it and it gives some pretty good answers on how to move forward and one of the>

< start="12578.99" dur="5.49">things you do is you you close out with with an American ethos ya set you set>

< start="12584.48" dur="4.981">forth an American ethos in the book or what I think you called a draft or you>

< start="12589.461" dur="3.119">say perhaps it goes something like this and you and you spell it out pretty>

< start="12592.58" dur="4.301">straightforward nothing that really anybody would>

< start="12596.881" dur="5.08">sensibly argue with right you know nothing that you could really sensibly>

< start="12601.961" dur="6.51">argue with and I'll let people get the book and and and read it but you know>

< start="12608.471" dur="3.87">that the last line of it is you know I will live with fortitude you know name>

< start="12612.341" dur="3.3">of the book is fortitude that's sort of a last line of the American ethos that>

< start="12615.641" dur="6.15">you you put forth and that's a simple statement right it's a simple statement>

< start="12621.791" dur="3.3">but it's something that you can actually carry with you in every part of your>

< start="12625.091" dur="4.439">life and the way you tie fortitude into all these other aspects of how to deal>

< start="12629.53" dur="4.471">with other people how to react to things that is what the book is about and it>

< start="12634.001" dur="6.84">really sets forth a a great path for people to go down to get their>

< start="12640.841" dur="7.859">themselves their family their country into a more stable and productive and>

< start="12648.7" dur="9.261">better place so I've read a tiny fraction of the book today>

< start="12657.961" dur="3.729">whoever you what you should do is order this book right now now here's something>

< start="12661.69" dur="6.63">that you haven't ran into yet Dan your publisher your publisher is first of all>

< start="12668.32" dur="3.811">they're under estimating you they're under estimating the people that want to>

< start="12672.131" dur="4.38">hear this message so they're only going to print X amount of books mm-hmm>

< start="12676.511" dur="3.929">they're looking at pre-sales they're like okay we're gonna print X amount of>

< start="12680.44" dur="4.05">books because it's an investment it's a risk for them and then what happens is>

< start="12684.49" dur="4.771">the book comes out people start to read it it catches on fire and then all of a>

< start="12689.261" dur="5.34">sudden they're four weeks out from printing more books so what people need>

< start="12694.601" dur="4.53">to do right now is pre-order the book or your book which makes the publisher then>

< start="12699.131" dur="5.34">print more also I should note all pre-orders are getting a signed book>

< start="12704.471" dur="5.46">plate oh all of them ouch yeah my hand hurts yeah>

< start="12709.931" dur="5.88">that's not fun ah so order the book right now we'll have it on our website>

< start="12715.811" dur="3.87">so you guys can click through and order it well I need to clarify that you have>

< start="12719.681" dur="5.309">to go to Dan Crenshaw book.com slash pre-order to upload your receipt so that>

< start="12724.99" dur="2.91">we know you pre-ordered it and can should get you the bookplate you know>

< start="12727.9" dur="3">what we if you do that you get the book playing I've been I've been putting out>

< start="12730.9" dur="3.54">that website pretty conical I'm gonna take this as a personal challenge to see>

< start="12734.44" dur="4.59">if I can break you get so many freakin pre-orders that you have to sign book>

< start="12739.03" dur="4.38">plates for like this this I mean do something hard you>

< start="12743.41" dur="6.03">know sign 1 million book plays yeah do something art that is nasty you actually>

< start="12749.44" dur="4.77">have a podcast now your own podcast which is called hold these truths yeah>

< start="12754.21" dur="4.44">tell us about that podcast a little bit so I'm always looking for ways to>

< start="12758.65" dur="5.88">communicate it's my job I've got to communicate the truth and the policies>

< start="12764.53" dur="4.321">that I believe are right and the things we're voting on in Washington so I do>

< start="12768.851" dur="4.439">that a ton on social media everybody knows that and there's there's you know>

< start="12773.29" dur="3.69">there's a different method of communicating for every platform and one>

< start="12776.98" dur="3.81">thing that you can't do on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter is have really>

< start="12780.79" dur="4.771">lengthy conversations and deep dives into policy issues so I do that on the>

< start="12785.561" dur="6">podcast and you know it started because I'm like you know I get these 5-minute>

< start="12791.561" dur="3.299">conversations during hearings when I have a really interesting witness come>

< start="12794.86" dur="5.01">and talk about something and maybe I'll meet with that person later too and it's>

< start="12799.87" dur="3.51">a really interesting conversation and I ask some you know questions that I need>

< start="12803.38" dur="3.301">answered whatever why don't we record that why>

< start="12806.681" dur="3.75">don't we dive into these things and so what you'll find from that podcast is a>

< start="12810.431" dur="4.799">whole variety of issues you know one day it'll be at about Iran or China another>

< start="12815.23" dur="3.81">day it'll be about student loans I've interviewed the previous head of the>

< start="12819.04" dur="4.44">ACLU we'll talk about free speech we'll talk about you know this discrimination>

< start="12823.48" dur="3.42">law makes sense in these in these conditions like there's there's some>

< start="12826.9" dur="5.55">really fascinating deep dives we'll talk about 5g will talk about Bitcoin I mean>

< start="12832.45" dur="5.55">there's a whole variety of things Medicare for all the environment the>

< start="12838" dur="4.351">green New Deal like all of this stuff and talking to actual experts on the>

< start="12842.351" dur="3.45">subjects as I say that's your job gives you access to people that actually know>

< start="12845.801" dur="2.819">what they're talking about yeah yeah they'll come and talk to me and are you>

< start="12848.62" dur="4.62">bringing on people that you don't agree with well I've gotten into debates with>

< start="12853.24" dur="5.22">some for sure especially a head of the ACLU we haven't we probably could do>

< start="12858.46" dur="2.61">more of that it just started so I'm trying to build up a>

< start="12861.07" dur="5.25">bleib rarey right now of just deep dives into certain policies or I'm kind of>

< start="12866.32" dur="6.18">just asking the questions as a because you know the way we went at this podcast>

< start="12872.5" dur="4.86">he was like I don't have time to prepare for it and I'm too busy to take the time>

< start="12877.36" dur="3.48">to really prepare a podcast the way you are preparing your podcast each time>

< start="12880.84" dur="4.32">it's it's not it's not feasible for me well it's more feasible is that I'm just>

< start="12885.16" dur="3.21">a genuinely curious person talking to another person who knows a lot of things>

< start="12888.37" dur="4.651">that I can take an hour out and do and um I think it ends up being pretty good>

< start="12893.021" dur="7.799">yeah and so you know yeah we haven't we haven't we haven't had a full-on like>

< start="12900.82" dur="4.8">debate on on a podcast yet and haven't figured out how I would even structure>

< start="12905.62" dur="3.57">that if we were to because I debate I debate in my public life so often it's>

< start="12909.19" dur="3.09">like you know yeah I don't know he's that or need to put it on the podcast>

< start="12912.28" dur="3.6">either but it bit but a lot of people would like to watch it though yeah I>

< start="12915.88" dur="2.61">mean I think it would be nice because you could be in a situation where>

< start="12918.49" dur="2.821">they're not look constrained by time if you've got somebody else that was sane>

< start="12921.311" dur="4.2">yeah that had a different viewpoint on this out of the other thing where you>

< start="12925.511" dur="4.979">could actually discuss and maybe make some mutual forward progress between>

< start="12930.49" dur="4.89">right know coming to better ideas or more mutually agreed upon ideas that>

< start="12935.38" dur="8.131">might be nice you are on Instagram at Dan Crenshaw TX which is for Texas echo>

< start="12943.511" dur="4.859">in case you didn't know that Facebook Dan Crenshaw at Dan Crenshaw and you>

< start="12948.37" dur="2.58">also have your website which is crunched off for Congress is that where the book>

< start="12950.95" dur="4.981">is as well or no no no is the book the book is game Crenshaw book calm got it>

< start="12955.931" dur="8.67">yeah like your branding it's just like mine my name that's exactly now um did I>

< start="12964.601" dur="3.899">miss anything as far as like all this all this stuff as far as getting in>

< start="12968.5" dur="4.86">touch with you and all that um no I mean it's easy to find me on social media you>

< start="12973.36" dur="3.781">have to keep in mind here's some annoyances about how my social media>

< start="12977.141" dur="3.809">works on Instagram I have one account okay it's my personal account it's uh>

< start="12980.95" dur="4.8">it's not really official it's not really campaign but the way the rules work you>

< start="12985.75" dur="3.48">have to generally differentiate between official and campaign which is why>

< start="12989.23" dur="2.66">there's two Facebook accounts which is why there's two Twitter>

< start="12991.89" dur="4.41">and you have to follow all of them to get all the information Instagram if>

< start="12996.3" dur="4.17">you're an Instagram user it's a little easier for you I just cuz I I control>

< start="13000.47" dur="4.8">that's my personal account and that's that's why you just have to search for>

< start="13005.27" dur="4.08">me a couple times and then follow both that's the only thing I would add got it>

< start="13009.35" dur="6.599">now Dan I know you're doing a lot for America which is definitely appreciated>

< start="13015.949" dur="4.17">but I want you to know that we're doing our part over here as well in the>

< start="13020.119" dur="6.601">private sector we're working hard to make people better yes to make the>

< start="13026.72" dur="3.779">economy better and rebuild the foundation of America or at least one>

< start="13030.499" dur="3.42">foundation of America that is self-reliance and our ability to create>

< start="13033.919" dur="5.04">and build the best products in the world 100 percent american-made did I say a>

< start="13038.959" dur="4.65">hundred percent american-made yes yeah 100 percent american-made in three years>

< start="13043.609" dur="7.321">it's three years we've gone from eight employees to 80 we are just getting>

< start="13050.93" dur="6.63">warmed up little company up in Maine is my home state my home region I should>

< start="13057.56" dur="5.129">say I'm a New Englander yeah because I got time in Connecticut and Maine but I>

< start="13062.689" dur="3.51">can I claim it a little bit my home a record is made yes you can clean up>

< start="13066.199" dur="4.861">there we got a little factory we got something called origin Maine tell us>

< start="13071.06" dur="6.2">about it echo Charles oh well oh by the way we are getting softer by the way as>

< start="13077.26" dur="5.08">generally speaking as a group we are all getting softer that's why generation>

< start="13082.34" dur="3.449">after generation they say oh my generation was harder than this new>

< start="13085.789" dur="2.88">generation that's why they always say it you're saying it factually it's>

< start="13088.669" dur="4.23">factually then this is why generally speaking as individuals there's>

< start="13092.899" dur="3.871">variations and individuals for sure and even little micro groups for sure>

< start="13096.77" dur="5.879">variation but this is why technology the whole reason for technology is to solve>

< start="13102.649" dur="3.661">our problems mister make things easier make everything easier exactly right and>

< start="13106.31" dur="3.75">and I'd say I like to look not like to but I look at it as to solve our>

< start="13110.06" dur="4.889">problems which is making things easier for sure so even like the caveman right>

< start="13114.949" dur="3.78">when they invented the wheel all these softies they got the wheel now yeah I'm>

< start="13118.729" dur="3.6">saying because before uh that generated like our generation we had to carry>

< start="13122.329" dur="3.111">stuff I mean there gently harder I think objectively>

< start="13125.44" dur="6.09">speaking and that's not a bad thing that we've made things easier but right but>

< start="13131.53" dur="3.241">you have to art is just kind of the whole point of the chapter do something>

< start="13134.771" dur="4.259">hard you've got us it you have to make up for that yeah you're artificially>

< start="13139.03" dur="4.41">yeah hardening your own life oh yeah and that's why this is like your book is>

< start="13143.44" dur="3.661">good that's why what you say is good is because right we can't this is a wave a>

< start="13147.101" dur="5.609">wave of just easiness coming on us there's no stopping it but individually>

< start="13152.71" dur="3.96">we can kind of like fight against not necessarily the wave but the results of>

< start="13156.67" dur="4.41">the wave yeah I'm saying you can do something hard yeah so what you get>

< start="13161.08" dur="3.66">though what you will get inevitably is everyone with all their problems solved>

< start="13164.74" dur="3.24">and we're always looking for these little issues yeah because that's how>

< start="13167.98" dur="5.43">right that's nature so now it's like hey that's some injustice right there yeah>

< start="13173.41" dur="6.12">it's a lot it's a lot harder to complain about the injustice of your Wi-Fi in>

< start="13179.53" dur="7.95">your neighborhood not being as strong as if you don't got food on your plate and>

< start="13187.48" dur="3.121">think about like your kids know right where it's like oh yeah they got to wear>

< start="13190.601" dur="4.439">helmets now assume saying hey you guys got to wear seatbelts now so I get into>

< start="13195.04" dur="4.8">like a 1965 something yeah right you're gonna die in that thing it seems like>

< start="13199.84" dur="4.261">they seem saying but that was just how back there yeah now getting your 2020>

< start="13204.101" dur="4.949">whatever Tesla and buy you can fall asleep behind the wheel you're safe they>

< start="13209.05" dur="4.86">got you no problem exactly right all your problems solved so that's how you>

< start="13213.91" dur="3.99">know it's like a you know the all these groups of people might not like very>

< start="13217.9" dur="4.65">small groups of people but they're super loud because they can be now that's just>

< start="13222.55" dur="3.36">how like back in the day because they're not out hunting down elk>

< start="13225.91" dur="3.66">yeah the bow and arrow yeah and not to mention the technology allows all this>

< start="13229.57" dur="4.201">you know so yeah and they're loud or whatever but you make a good point where>

< start="13233.771" dur="4.95">it's like yeah if you go out and look for all these issues it's like it's hard>

< start="13238.721" dur="4.199">to find them but your how you say like Ben Shapiro and Dan there and Ground>

< start="13242.92" dur="4.53">Zero did you come man Canada's otter get us better at ground>

< start="13247.45" dur="3.571">yeah so it's gonna seem pretty bad nonetheless yes>

< start="13251.021" dur="4.088">so yes keep up the good fight against the wait>

< start="13255.109" dur="3.901">a will doing hard things what hard things you got for us echo trans what>

< start="13259.01" dur="4.17">can we do jiu-jitsu hard daily heart hardships all>

< start="13263.18" dur="6.87">day daily hardships you know working out Fitness jiu-jitsu and I was gonna say>

< start="13270.05" dur="6.269">fashion but that's more your oh that's hard for you anyway so what'd you get ->

< start="13276.319" dur="5.25">what are we doing he didn't give we didn't know ki noogie yeah if you get>

< start="13281.569" dur="5.13">Aggie get in or Jinky for all the reasons you mentioned though yeah we'll>

< start="13286.699" dur="3.361">get you up to the factory up in Maine dan you gotta go check it out it's um>

< start="13290.06" dur="5.28">it's awesome it's awesome we literally brought the last bought the>

< start="13295.34" dur="3.779">last loom in Lewiston Maine from a five hundred thousand square foot abandoned>

< start="13299.119" dur="3.75">factory that hadn't been used in 20 years and all the other hundreds and>

< start="13302.869" dur="3.75">hundreds of looms from that factory sent overseas we're bringing it back we had>

< start="13306.619" dur="5.78">one loom now I think we got four looms we're bringing it back an awesome and>

< start="13312.399" dur="4.51">you know the folks up there these are folks that their industry was taken away>

< start="13316.909" dur="5.401">from them their industry was sold overseas and now they're back craftsmen>

< start="13322.31" dur="7.319">crafts women sewing making boots making jeans all in America from and every like>

< start="13329.629" dur="5.551">every single part of those jeans is American yeah it this is such an>

< start="13335.18" dur="4.259">important I'm gonna bring it to a little bit of politics and how I view this and>

< start="13339.439" dur="8.31">the need to to embrace some sense of American economic nationalism which>

< start="13347.749" dur="4.051">we've lost over time and the the rise of Trump when people ask about how the>

< start="13351.8" dur="3.179">Republican Party has changed under Trump what they're it's usually a disingenuous>

< start="13354.979" dur="4.56">question what they want you to say is that Republicans are racist right that's>

< start="13359.539" dur="3.301">really what they're insinuating when they ask that question or that they're>

< start="13362.84" dur="5.279">more racist now it's not true that but there is some change and this this drive>

< start="13368.119" dur="4.74">towards to to a conversation about economic nationalism is actually part of>

< start="13372.859" dur="2.401">that change and it's been interesting to watch and I think it's a necessary>

< start="13375.26" dur="5.519">change because what Trump got was a lot of Democrat voters who may be voted>

< start="13380.779" dur="4.05">Democrat their whole life but they're part of a union culturally speaking they>

< start="13384.829" dur="3.462">identify a hell of a lot more with me than they do>

< start="13388.291" dur="6.48">AOC okay so they started voting based on that but also Trump finally talked about>

< start="13394.771" dur="2.79">some things they were concerned about which was like China>

< start="13397.561" dur="7.44">okay China taking advantage of us NAFTA taking advantage of us and the reality>

< start="13405.001" dur="3.63">is that's it that's a nuanced conversation it's not it's not it's>

< start="13408.631" dur="5.22">different for every factory to be honest sometimes it's the business itself that>

< start="13413.851" dur="3">sucked sometimes it is Chinese dumping that>

< start="13416.851" dur="5.37">occurred all right sometimes it's just it's a mix of things but Republicans for>

< start="13422.221" dur="5.429">too long adhere to a highly stringent free market>

< start="13427.65" dur="6.031">economy dogmatic approach which said if another country can make it cheaper they>

< start="13433.681" dur="4.349">should make it all right that's just that's economics 101 we're done no more>

< start="13438.03" dur="3.571">thinking about it well that's it's not that simple like>

< start="13441.601" dur="3.48">there's winners and losers here just because like tomatoes are now five cents>

< start="13445.081" dur="4.23">cheaper for everybody doesn't mean that we're all better off you know we've of>

< start="13449.311" dur="4.29">farmers that no longer make tomatoes also we don't make tomatoes and now by>

< start="13453.601" dur="3.03">the way again let's bring it back to some coronavirus we've got a real>

< start="13456.631" dur="4.26">conversation in this country to have about medical device manufacturing and>

< start="13460.891" dur="4.049">supply lines of our medical industry and computer industry and everything else>

< start="13464.94" dur="4.771">like there is benefit even if it costs us more there is benefit to having that>

< start="13469.711" dur="4.35">here in America it's real benefit not just the job the manufacturing jobs are>

< start="13474.061" dur="3.9">certainly some of those benefits but there's a national security reason as>

< start="13477.961" dur="5.55">well and it's about time we have a more honest conversation about that as>

< start="13483.511" dur="3.269">Republicans Democrats will just be against Trump no matter what so like>

< start="13486.78" dur="3.66">that because they don't rip them they're not really principled in this that>

< start="13490.44" dur="4.201">they're mostly about seeking power for the sake of the revolution again I could>

< start="13494.641" dur="8.16">go way back into that again but and and so you know I we just I think that's an>

< start="13502.801" dur="3.63">interesting point this is where I want to end that and so I love what you guys>

< start="13506.431" dur="2.099">are doing I guess is what I'm really trying to say>

< start="13508.53" dur="3.391">yeah well it's and you know we got this right now again you're talking>

< start="13511.921" dur="6.57">coronavirus we got 100% American supply chain so zero impact is zero impact it's>

< start="13518.491" dur="2.999">it's just it's it's awesome and yeah you're talking>

< start="13521.49" dur="4.11">about the the Chinese are making a bunch of the what 95% the pharmaceuticals or>

< start="13525.6" dur="3.87">something crazy there's crazy number like that yeah that's not okay that's>

< start="13529.47" dur="3.66">not okay and yeah if you save five cents on something that's not okay when when>

< start="13533.13" dur="4.74">something happens even if it was even if it was just a natural disaster that that>

< start="13537.87" dur="4.31">caused problems over there you know no political anything that's a real problem>

< start="13542.18" dur="6.01">and to have single source for life life-saving capabilities that's a bad>

< start="13548.19" dur="4.38">plan and hopefully we look back at this coronavirus and we say hey I'm glad we>

< start="13552.57" dur="4.38">got a heads up I'm glad we got a free lessons relatively cheap lessons learned>

< start="13556.95" dur="6.6">yeah about this so anyways up in Maine doing it we're doing it we're doing it>

< start="13563.55" dur="3.6">right now we've been doing it and we're gonna continue to grow we're gonna>

< start="13567.15" dur="3.8">continue to get out the best products we're making supplements to>

< start="13570.95" dur="5.64">supplementation as as echo Charles likes to call it sure from time to time so for>

< start="13576.59" dur="4.03">supplementation what joint supplements very important by the way yeah>

< start="13580.62" dur="3.359">joints I should probably take some of this yeah bro what do you do like if>

< start="13583.979" dur="5.671">your joints don't work yeah not much and just get new ones yeah yep there is that>

< start="13589.65" dur="5.85">technology by the way yeah also Molk Molk technically is supplementation>

< start="13595.5" dur="4.979">technically what is that more it's more of a dessert it's a dessert that happens>

< start="13600.479" dur="3.811">to have a bunch of protein in it and probiotics and it has no sugar that's>

< start="13604.29" dur="4.35">super healthy and it tastes delicious technology I'm skeptical of the>

< start="13608.64" dur="5.07">delicious part that oh that's great that's what's crazy that's what's crazy>

< start="13613.71" dur="5.16">that's what has got so many people officially on the milk train I change so>

< start="13618.87" dur="4.97">much to say I will send you what's your flavor of these flavors chocolate>

< start="13623.84" dur="6.46">vanilla mint chocolate chip which is my personal favorite Reese's Peanut Butter>

< start="13630.3" dur="2.64">Cup and I know I can't call it that but that's what it tastes like butter>

< start="13632.94" dur="3.21">chocolate peanut butter chocolate a big fan of the peanut butter chocolate and>

< start="13636.15" dur="4.05">then here's the one that's kind of the creeper or the the what's it called the>

< start="13640.2" dur="5.279">crea no the super the sleeper is strawberry hmm so did you ever have>

< start="13645.479" dur="3.841">strawberry Quik when you were kid yeah did you write it yes okay>

< start="13649.32" dur="5.829">I'm not kidding I'm not kidding strawberry milk tastes>

< start="13655.149" dur="8.04">better than strawberry Quik no like a competitive illiquid weight we can weave>

< start="13663.189" dur="5.55">back because it's my preference for flavor does depend on the substance it's>

< start="13668.739" dur="4.08">like a milkshake milkshake milkshake a milkshake order chocolate milk or a or a>

< start="13672.819" dur="5.401">Nestle's Quik okay well what you can make pink is you can put more can pretty>

< start="13678.22" dur="4.5">much anything okay okay so based on the fact that it's more like a milkshake>

< start="13682.72" dur="3.3">then I would yeah then I would I would say not the peanut butter I do like>

< start="13686.02" dur="3.9">peanut butter milkshake but that's more of an ice cream that I'm favored okay>

< start="13689.92" dur="6.659">so can we have milk ice cream is that a thing we have things in in process for>

< start="13696.579" dur="3.481">the milk ice cream and we did did you have some at camp yes sir okay>

< start="13700.06" dur="5.37">so yeah we we have multi scream we need to move forward on our logistics that's>

< start="13705.43" dur="2.309">a heavy logistics you know you're talking about shipping frozen fruits etc>

< start="13707.739" dur="3.151">so we're moving in that direction that we're not there yet we're working on it>

< start="13710.89" dur="4.469">gotcha it's a we have Mars coming we did>

< start="13715.359" dur="3.93">totally ridiculous yeah totally ridiculous you don't change your stuff>

< start="13719.289" dur="5.61">so strawberry then yeah yeah the whole the whole line so you'll just be you'll>

< start="13724.899" dur="3.75">become sometimes you can be the mood for mints you know strawberry I've got a>

< start="13728.649" dur="4.231">sweet tooth oh yeah I smoke bars you gonna it's funny cuz you know how kids>

< start="13732.88" dur="4.47">are the kind of a litmus test you know like if you give the kid like let's say>

< start="13737.35" dur="3.66">back in the day right you got your diet shake and then it's like it's yeah I>

< start="13741.01" dur="2.79">think it out you say you should give it to the kid because like brown like this>

< start="13743.8" dur="4.92">like you know I I dig it or whatever they don't just don't like so my and I>

< start="13748.72" dur="4.109">have a video of this where my son three by the way which is a solid little test>

< start="13752.829" dur="3.061">create a good experiment yeah yeah because he doesn't have morals>

< start="13755.89" dur="3.149">or nothing like that so he's just tell you the truth yeah that's what I mean>

< start="13759.039" dur="3.511">like he didn't care about your feelings or whatever so yeah I have a video of>

< start="13762.55" dur="4.47">him chomping a milk bar and I'm like I didn't give him a milk bar and he's like>

< start="13767.02" dur="3.69">oh yeah he just called the chocolate bar whatever and I was like what heating and>

< start="13770.71" dur="3.51">he's like yeah it's frozen chocolate bar and here's the thing I put those in the>

< start="13774.22" dur="5.55">freezer to hide him and he went in there right now with motivation obviously>

< start="13779.77" dur="2.19">insane taste buds is the number one motor>

< start="13781.96" dur="4.14">factor in this case check anyway so that was to the test that's my wire though I>

< start="13786.1" dur="1.86">don't want to get too ahead of myself yeah yeah>

< start="13787.96" dur="4.46">stick with the mock for now um alright so yes and by the way all those things>

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< start="14024.061" dur="5.909">mustard 2020 Orlando may 7th and 8th mmm not so sure about that one we may be>

< start="14029.97" dur="5.76">getting some what do you think Dan what do you think the chances are nine>

< start="14035.73" dur="4.98">hundred people I mean experts think you know this is a change in America life>

< start="14040.71" dur="3.75">that'll last a month or two and then we won't be on the downtrend we can look at>

< start="14044.46" dur="4.59">the numbers coming out of China and South Korea as perhaps a guide is>

< start="14049.05" dur="4.65">you have the decrease in cases happens hopefully we don't even reach the peaks>

< start="14053.7" dur="5.01">that they did mm-hmm yet to be seen plus we got social>

< start="14058.71" dur="4.68">distancing slowing down the curve echo st. e : basically if you've been hanging>

< start="14063.39" dur="3.63">around echo echo thinks that he's sort of a national hero right now because>

< start="14067.02" dur="4.41">he's not he's not shaking people's hands he's sort of taken on you know you're>

< start="14071.43" dur="3.12">talking about the arc typical hero I think we had echo Charles over there>

< start="14074.55" dur="4.16">he's sacrificing his own oh yeah hugs his own hugger or not>

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< start="14139.83" dur="6.2">days epoch echos adequate Charles and I am at doc look echo any closing thoughts>

< start="14146.03" dur="5.38">no good to see Dan Crenshaw again this time this time has an esteemed member of>

< start="14151.41" dur="3.93">an esteemed ste big-time esteemed here it's a lovely word hmm>

< start="14155.34" dur="4.71">I really appreciate it it's been fun yeah little longer than we thought>

< start="14160.05" dur="6.38">you know we got a lot to say man some tangental things but all good a and um>

< start="14166.43" dur="3.94">thanks for coming back on you know thanks for sharing your life story and>

< start="14170.37" dur="3.359">your lesson so not just here but in the book and I know people are gonna gonna>

< start="14173.729" dur="4.831">thank you for the book and I am gonna thank you and everyone thanks you for>

< start="14178.56" dur="2.93">your service and your sacrifice>

< start="14181.521" dur="3.429">not only on the battlefield but now you know you're fighting a different kind of>

< start="14184.95" dur="4.71">battle and you know you and I talk offline I and I told you twice once on>

< start="14189.66" dur="3.691">the phone and once when you showed up here I'm really glad that you have your>

< start="14193.351" dur="7.199">job and I have mine your job is not one that I would want and not fun but you're>

< start="14200.55" dur="5.43">doing it for the right reasons and I think everyone appreciates the fact that>

< start="14205.98" dur="5.85">you're fighting a battle for the future of America so that said America remains>

< start="14211.83" dur="6.93">now and forever the land of the free and the home of the brave and the same goes>

< start="14218.76" dur="5.19">to the rest of our servicemen and women out there freedom is not free and>

< start="14223.95" dur="5.85">someone has to hold the line and it is all of you soldiers sailors airmen and>

< start="14229.8" dur="4.92">Marines out there who keep evil and darkness at bay and we thank you for>

< start="14234.72" dur="3.24">that and the same thing goes to our police and law enforcement and>

< start="14237.96" dur="3.24">firefighters and paramedics and EMTs and dispatchers and correctional officers>

< start="14241.2" dur="6.24">and Border Patrol and Secret Service same thing freedom isn't free it takes>

< start="14247.44" dur="5.04">sacrifice and thanks to all of you for what you do every day to take care of us>

< start="14252.48" dur="8.46">and keep our country free and everyone else out there life is a struggle it's a>

< start="14260.94" dur="8.04">challenge it's suffering and you're not always gonna win but even when you don't>

< start="14268.98" dur="6.21">win as Dan says don't quit don't give up don't be a victim don't take the easy>

< start="14275.19" dur="11.97">path don't squander this life instead live with fortitude by getting up every>

< start="14287.16" dur="8.13">day and getting after it and until next time this is Dan Crenshaw and Necco and>

< start="14295.29" dur="3.95">Jocko out>